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re: If Brady wins another SB does that put him ahead of Montana as the GOAT (QB)?

Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:09 am to
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:09 am to
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Wasn't he healthy in 2007?



Apparently not. Matt Cassel was the next year, and he won 11 games.
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 12:10 am
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:10 am to
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Wasn't he healthy in 2007?


Don't get me started on that SB game. Manning should have been called down on the helmet catch play, but I digress. The offensive line came into that game waaaaaay too full of themselves, and I bet BB could have whipped that team into another full F YOU season.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:13 am to
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Apparently not. Matt Cassel was the next year, and he won 11 games


That has nothing to do with anything. Is that supposed to be a valid point?
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:14 am to
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That has nothing to do with anything. Is that supposed to be a valid point?


I should have never fed the troll.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:15 am to
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Don't get me started on that SB game. Manning should have been called down on the helmet catch play, but I digress. The offensive line came into that game waaaaaay too full of themselves, and I bet BB could have whipped that team into another full F YOU season.


Not to mention te insane amount of holding on that play and the dumbest defensive call of Belichecks career on the play they scored on and the overall offensive gameplan being just plain stubborn

/me still being mad at that game
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:15 am to
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That has nothing to do with anything.


It means the team was pretty stacked, why do you keep saying its meaningless?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:16 am to
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and there are at least a dozen that could have won the 3 SB's Brady's won so far. He really wasn't special in those years.


lol what the heck makes you think that? Brady was throwing to Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Givens. Montana had arguable the greatest offensive talent EVER around him
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:17 am to
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It means the team was pretty stacked, why do you keep saying its meaningless?


Its a dumb argument. They were two different teams, two different years, and had different styles of play.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:17 am to
Because thats an entirely different team. That year reflects on the coaching job that season, not Bradys career or legacy just like this years Colts team is a reflection on the terrible job the Colts have done at planning and not about Mannings legacy

Also he connected it to the 07 year which makes no sense
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 12:19 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:19 am to
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ol what the heck makes you think that?


cause they were coached by Bill Belichick and had a great D. The offense didn't do anything special.

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Brady was throwing to Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Givens. Montana had arguable the greatest offensive talent EVER around him



Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark and Earl Cooper make up the greatest offensive talent EVER

See ole Tom isn't the only one to win multiple SB without HOF WR's.
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 12:24 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:23 am to
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Because thats an entirely different team


How much roster turnover was there between 2007 and 2008? I'm gonna guess not that much.

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That year reflects on the coaching job that season, not Bradys career or legacy


I never said anything about Brady's career or legacy, fact of the matter is he, like QB's that won or gone to Super Bowls was on some loaded teams, he did not take a Michigan intramural team to the SB.

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Also he connected it to the 07 year which makes no sense


Well it is consecutive seasons, I doubt they had more that normal turnover. Its not the exact same team, but I bet a lot of key players at other positions were the same both years.

Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:29 am to
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How much roster turnover was there between 2007 and 2008? I'm gonna guess not that much.


That was the year we attempted to replace Asante Samuel with Deltha O'Neal.

Our already insanely old veterans were getting pretty older too.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116180 posts
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:30 am to
You obviously didnt watch both those seasons if you think the 07 and 08 patriots were similar

Offense and the defense played completely differently even of there were still a lot of players were on both squads

This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 12:32 am
Posted by Mikesnation
Des Moines,IA
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:44 am to
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Is that the best you got? Lulz



Joe never turned the ball over, none of Joe's SB were even close,

I'm saying Montana
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116180 posts
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:48 am to
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none of Joe's SB were even close,


You serious, Clark?
Posted by Interception
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:52 am to
Just to make a point, most of the 49ers roster remained the same during those Montana years. Also, he had a bunch of HOFers on those teams. How many HOFers Brady have on his squad?
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:53 am to
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Joe never turned the ball over, none of Joe's SB were even close,


Whether you believe in counting stats or winning as the measure of a QB, it is becoming increasingly hard to argue against Brady as the GOAT.

Joe has a higher career turnover rate than Brady, btw. He's been better in the Super Bowls in that regard, but overall, it's more similar in the playoffs as a whole.





Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5379 posts
Posted on 1/24/12 at 1:01 am to
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Montana isn't the greatest QB and Brady has already passed him



This...5th post! Why is the thread so long?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19352 posts
Posted on 1/24/12 at 1:03 am to
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Freddie Solomon and Dwight Clark and Earl Cooper make up the greatest offensive talent EVER

See ole Tom isn't the only one to win multiple SB without HOF WR's.





cause they were coached by Bill Belichick and had a great D. The offense didn't do anything special.




LOL the 49ers had Wendell Tyler, Dwight Clark, Roger Craig, Brent Jones, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Tom Rathman, and multiple pro bowlers on the OL. I don't think its a stretch to say that the only offensive Patriots players from 01-06 who could even dream of making the 49ers roster are Corey Dillon and Matt Light

And FYI the 49ers defenses were just as good if not better than any of the defenses Tom Brady had. Those 49ers teams from 84-90 were absolutely loaded at every single position on offense and defense I don't think its a stretch that they could have carried a guy like Brad Johnson to a couple superbowls.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116180 posts
Posted on 1/24/12 at 1:10 am to
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LOL the 49ers had Wendell Tyler, Dwight Clark, Roger Craig, Brent Jones, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Tom Rathman, and multiple pro bowlers on the OL. I don't think its a stretch to say that the only offensive Patriots players from 01-06 who could even dream of making the 49ers roster are Corey Dillon and Matt Light


Credit this to the 49ers front office and the benefit of not having free agency
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