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re: If Brady wins another SB does that put him ahead of Montana as the GOAT (QB)?
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:12 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:12 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Nope.
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Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:15 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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TulaneTigerFan
Agree with everything you've said.
Especially,
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You are one of the least intelligent people on this site.
In regards to lsu480
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:15 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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How exactly do you determine the GOAT? There is no "right" way. If you have a better way, then please say so, otherwise....
Determine it on things THEY did not what their teams did.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:16 pm to Philosoraptor
I actually feel kind of bad about that. Although he did come into this thread insulting me
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:16 pm to Jcorye1
I'm as big a Brady fan you can find, and while I think he has the 2nd greatest intangibles out there, it still falls below Montanas. He will go down as a top 5 QB, but one that could be pressured. Yes he has ice in his veins, but its obvious after his knee injury that he gets nervous against pure frontal pressure. Will that go away eventually? I mean, he's got a lot better with it, but I doubt it ever goes away. Montana is the greatest quarterback of all time.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:19 pm to TulaneTigerFan
To call a sb title anything other than a team accomplishment is ridiculous. Obviously players like brees or Brady help win, but football is way too much of a team game to not consider it a team accomplishment. The qb is on the field less than half the plays counting special teams.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:21 pm to F machine
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To call a sb title anything other than a team accomplishment is ridiculous. Obviously players like brees or Brady help win, but football is way too much of a team game to not consider it a team accomplishment. The qb is on the field less than half the plays counting special teams.
I'll give a little credit, because it is the biggest spotlight, and it shows cojones to be the best on the biggest stage. That being said, it still is a team accomplishment.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:22 pm to F machine
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To call a sb title anything other than a team accomplishment is ridiculous. Obviously players like brees or Brady help win, but football is way too much of a team game to not consider it a team accomplishment. The qb is on the field less than half the plays counting special teams.
Sure...
But I do think that you could argue that Brady is an elite player that takes his team a lot further than an even above average QB would
I wouldn't say that about him with his first super bowl but I would say that's true now. There are only a handful of QBs that could have taken this patriots team to the SB IMO
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:24 pm to Powerman
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I wouldn't say that about him with his first super bowl but I would say that's true now. There are only a handful of QBs that could have taken this patriots team to the SB IMO
Fwiw, "this Patriots team" beat a Ravens team when Brady played like shite.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:26 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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How exactly do you determine the GOAT?
By judging the players based on what they did, and not exclusively on team results.
If you think Brady is better than Montana, that's fine, but it should not have changed based on yesterday's results. Brady didn't play well yesterday and Baltimore made 2 huge errors late that could have changed the outcome, but that one outcome should not make or break your opinion of Brady, if it does your methodology is faulty.
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who do you consider the GOAT (QB)?
To be honest, I really don't know or care, at a certain level its like arguing over who is the hottest chick in the swimsuit issue. I'd say the candidates are the usual suspects : Unitas, Montana, Marino, Manning, Brady. Take your pick. I'd lean to Manning over Brady, Bardy's career numbers are not as good and he won more because he played on better teams with better coaches. Brady had an all time great season in 2007 and without him in 2008 NE still went 11-5. Makes me thing the team was loaded. They were better with Brady because he's better than Cassell. Just like SF was still good with some sub QBs, but as good as they were with Montana and Young
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:27 pm to Powerman
Oh I agree. Having someone like Brady takes you further than even a good.qb like rivers. I'm not arguing that at all. Having an elite qb always helps, but if the rest of the team doesn't perform it won't really matter how good the qb is.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:27 pm to F machine
I see the point and agree in not measuring QB's solely on the team accomplishments but they should not be ignored when determining GOAT. If that were the case, Brett Favre maybe considered the GOAT or Marino, both could be argued. Peyton Manning also enters the discussion.
But when you consider the body of work including the accomplishments of the teams they were on Montana and Brady stand alone IMHO.
:nb4Bradshaw:
But when you consider the body of work including the accomplishments of the teams they were on Montana and Brady stand alone IMHO.
:nb4Bradshaw:
This post was edited on 1/23/12 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:28 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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But when you consider the body of work including the accomplishments of the teams they were on Montana and Brady stand alone IMHO.
Johnny Unitas says frick that.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:29 pm to Jcorye1
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Fwiw, "this Patriots team" beat a Ravens team when Brady played like shite.
Anything can happen in one game
He had to play well throughout the season to get them in a position go have the #1 seed
You can't deny that
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
Winning championships is an important factor, but in many cases it is the only criteria used and that's a mistake IMO
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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and he won more because he played on better teams with better coaches. Brady had an all time great season in 2007 and without him in 2008 NE still went 11-5. Makes me thing the team was loaded. They were better with Brady because he's better than Cassell. Just like SF was still good with some sub QBs, but as good as they were with Montana and Young
To your point, none of this matters at all because its a team accomplishment.
Plus stop using seasons in which the QBs did not play as a reason for teir greatness or lack their of (so Pats in 08 is irrelavent as is the 11 Colts) its just nonsense to do that
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:29 pm to Powerman
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But I do think that you could argue that Brady is an elite player that takes his team a lot further than an even above average QB would
No doubt, having a great QB makes teams better, even if they lose deep in the playoffs.
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I wouldn't say that about him with his first super bowl but I would say that's true now. There are only a handful of QBs that could have taken this patriots team to the SB IMO
I agree again, but also don't discount Belichick in that success either.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:30 pm to KingofthePoint
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Winning championships is an important factor, but in many cases it is the only criteria used and that's a mistake IMO
Right...and as evidence many players win championships when they aren't in their prime
John Elway for example...
You could make an entire roster of HOF players that never won the super bowl. Dan Marino, Barry Sanders both come to mind right away
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:31 pm to Jcorye1
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Johnny Unitas says frick that.
Yeah, he's got a strong case as well. My mistake for leaving out Johnny U.
Brees will break his "unbreakable" record next season...most likely.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:31 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
I personally think Manning should be higher than Brady. And yeah I get that a title helps. This is why Marino is looked at as below elway and Montana by a lot of people.
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