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re: If Brady wins another SB does that put him ahead of Montana as the GOAT (QB)?
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:32 pm to KingofthePoint
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:32 pm to KingofthePoint
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Winning championships is an important factor, but in many cases it is the only criteria used and that's a mistake IMO
I have to agree with this....Maybe winning isn't everything....dammit.
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Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:32 pm to Powerman
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He had to play well throughout the season to get them in a position go have the #1 seed
Agreed, but its not like a team is going to get the #1 seed because their QB sucks.
The defense has been underrated because of all the big scoring plays they give up. People forget they are 15th in scoring, after completely changing schemes at the beginning of the year. Are they a great defense? No, but its not like they weren't causing turnovers.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:34 pm to Jcorye1
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The defense has been underrated because of all the big scoring plays they give up. People forget they are 15th in scoring, after completely changing schemes at the beginning of the year. Are they a great defense? No, but its not like they weren't causing turnovers.
The parallels between this years Patriots squad and the 06 Colts are pretty crazy
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:34 pm to wildtigercat93
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Plus stop using seasons in which the QBs did not play as a reason for teir greatness or lack their of
I'm not doing that all, it just gives a clear view that the overall team was pretty good in the case of NE. That's not a knock on Brady, just a fact. With him they were a count hair away from being 19-0, so clearly he matters. That's all.
I've thought long before this year that Manning (and Marino before him) took teams further than the teams should have gone, only to get blamed for the team not winning, which is unfair.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:36 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I've thought long before this year that Manning (and Marino before him) took teams further than the teams should have gone, only to get blamed for the team not winning, which is unfair.
I just enjoy the Manning face.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:37 pm to Jcorye1
That's cool,but be honest, if Manning was the QB in NE in 2001, 03 and 04, they still win those 3 SB's.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
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That's cool,but be honest, if Manning was the QB in NE in 2001, 03 and 04, they still win those 3 SB's.
Well, if Peyton mouthed off to Rodney Harrison, he probably wouldn't have finished the season
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Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:40 pm to F machine
It's just so hard to determine who is better than who just because there are so many things you can't definitively measure.
For example, you can argue Manning is better than Brady because he's been better statistically. But you could also argue that Manning for a longer portion of his career was gifted with better offensive support. Manning had two potential HOF receivers to throw to, a top 5 TE, and a borderline hall of fame running back to take pressure off of him for many number of years. Brady was winning with the likes of Troy Brown and David Givens.
Impossible to know.
For example, you can argue Manning is better than Brady because he's been better statistically. But you could also argue that Manning for a longer portion of his career was gifted with better offensive support. Manning had two potential HOF receivers to throw to, a top 5 TE, and a borderline hall of fame running back to take pressure off of him for many number of years. Brady was winning with the likes of Troy Brown and David Givens.
Impossible to know.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 10:41 pm to Jcorye1
From 99-07 Peyton year in and year out had a top 5 supporting cast. but these last 3 years have been uber impressive.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:01 pm to xenythx
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t's just so hard to determine who is better than who just because there are so many things you can't definitively measure.
No doubt, when looking at say Montana vs Brady, I suspect it will largely fall along generational lines (Just like Montana vs Unitas). If you are not old enough to have seen Montana at his peek, you're probably more likely to to go with Brady.
I'll leave with this, which will go against much of what I usually argue
But Brady's signature game winning drives ended in FG's, Montana's in TD's
The winner
This post was edited on 1/23/12 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
nice finish.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:37 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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That's very possible but not widely accepted. Brady winning another one would probably cement the debate.
Montana on New England's team would have 6 rings over the last 10 years.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:38 pm to theunknownknight
So he would after a catastrophic knee injury?
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:41 pm to Jcorye1
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So he would after a catastrophic knee injury?
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:44 pm to theunknownknight
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Montana on New England's team would have 6 rings over the last 10 years.
Not sure if this is sarcasm but the 49ers from 84-90 had infinitely more talent than any Patriots team has ever had. Their are at least a dozen QBs who could of won the superbowls Montana did from 84-90.
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:45 pm to theunknownknight
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Montana on New England's team would have 6 rings over the last 10 years.
Montana would have gone 19-0 thrown for 60 touchdowns with 30 of them going to Randy Moss!
Posted on 1/23/12 at 11:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Their are at least a dozen QBs who could of won the superbowls Montana did from 84-90
and there are at least a dozen that could have won the 3 SB's Brady's won so far. He really wasn't special in those years.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:06 am to theunknownknight
A healthy Tom Brady probably would have won it all in 08.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:07 am to Jcorye1
Wasn't he healthy in 2007?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:08 am to H-Town Tiger
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Wasn't he healthy in 2007?
Not really. Especially for that superbowl
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