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re: I know it’s cliche, but our best athletes would dominate Soccer.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:09 pm to Tiger in NY
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:09 pm to Tiger in NY
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At some point you will realize that we arent saying it is solely athleticism that would advance America. It is the extremepy huge talent pool of very (but not elite) athletic guys that would be perfect soccer players if they played fro. Youth. Instead, those guys finish their careers in FCS football or Single A baseball and get a regular job.
So it's not gonna click for you
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:09 pm to LNCHBOX
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You still don't get it. It's not easy. If it was, we'd have done it already.
For the average Joe?
Sure that’s not going to happen
For the average NFL WR running back point guard shooting guard?
You train them from the age of 5 then yeah we could easily fill out an elite team.
It is literally genetics and population size.
There is zero way though you convince kids that are in America to do that.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:11 pm to Adam Banks
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You train them
"You" who? We do not have the capability to train to elite technical levels currently. Who is doing this mythical training?
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It is literally genetics and population size
We have good genes and athletes already. We lack skill. How many times do you morons need it explained to you?
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:14 pm to Tiger in NY
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At some point you will realize that we arent saying it is solely athleticism that would advance America.
That IS what you're saying. Thats EXACTLY what you're saying.
The US needs better technical coaching at the youth level. We do not need to be more athletic. They've been among the more athletic teams for years, but 40 yard dash and cone drill stats dont translate to long term proficiency.
Jozy Altidore is exactly everything you want and he was mediocre to below average in the premier league and dropped off the face of the earth thereafter because he lost his athletic edge.
Raheem Sterling
Didier Drogba
Michael Owen
The idea that world class European footballers havent thought about this is just ridiculous.
After a minimum athletic ability, it becomes all technical.
Remember Freddy Adu? He was essentially and athletic freak with foot skills, another perfect prodigy for you and where did he go?
Knowing how to play the game counts for so much.
Look at a guy like Wayne Rooney...who was a bit of a physical freak...even after he lost his steam athletically he stuck around based purely on his technical ability (hint: not just dribbling or kicking the ball hard).
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:14 pm to TigahsOnTop
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Baseball guys are some of the least athletic people to be honest (extraordinarily coordinated though).
I think people conflate athleticism and coordination way too much.
LeBron is an insane athlete no doubt, but would be good at baseball? Idk, maybe.
Baseball guys are generally well rounded enough to jump onto any other court or field and play at a recreational level at least. Any baseball guy can run a route and catch a football, shoot a 3, or kick a soccer ball. You ever see these athletes from other sports try to throw a baseball? They look literally retarded.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:15 pm to LNCHBOX
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So it's not gonna click for you
Why may I ask do you think European countries and very european South American countries citizens are superior?
Are you saying they are more intelligent?
More dedicated?
Somehow the one skill that our athletes don’t have en masse across the 3rd most populated country is foot coordination?
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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So it's not gonna click for you
Explain. I already said the US program needs to change, but this thread works under the assumption that it would be the primary funded sport in America. Given that, you think that somehow the entire athletic talent pool of the US still wouldn't be one of the major players in world soccer?
That is asinine.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:17 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The entire premise of this argument is a pure athletic boost ALONE would push the US to the top.
The problem is the CURRENT US players are not getting the level of technical ability other nations get DESPITE being PLENTY athletic enough.
You are literally adding nothing by adding more athlete without MORE technical ability.
The US doesnt need more athletes, it needs more TECHNICAL ability. The US lacks in technical ability alone against European and South American teams.
Taking current US technical ability and giving it to the best US athletes would not improve the team much. Aside from that, soccer ability peaks in much different types of athletes.
Well said, thanks for taking the time to spell that out, i was caught up watching Argentina come from the dead.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:19 pm to tiggerthetooth
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That IS what you're saying. Thats EXACTLY what you're saying.
For the record, I already acknowledged that the coaching and program needs to change. We have flaws in that we do not coach up skill, the youth programs just coach team play.
This thread assumes we would invest in that. You morons want to turn it into an examination of where we are at currently because you are too dense to grasp the nuance of a hypothetical.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:20 pm to Adam Banks
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Why may I ask do you think European countries and very european South American countries citizens are superior?
Are you saying they are more intelligent?
More dedicated?
Somehow the one skill that our athletes don’t have en masse across the 3rd most populated country is foot coordination?
LOL, why is half of the best team in the world right now (France) athletic africans?
Sure coaching matters, but if we assume that part, then it does boil down to who has the biggest and best pool of athletes to choose from.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:22 pm to Tiger in NY
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LOL, why is half of the best team in the world right now (France) athletic africans?
Soccer is VERY popular is France AND Africa and its not even close.
Still think its pure athletic ability and NOTHING else?
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:22 pm to Tiger in NY
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Explain. I already said the US program needs to change, but this thread works under the assumption that it would be the primary funded sport in America
Id assume England and Germany are currently the top spenders. England has a chance to win it all this year but they havent won one in a long time.
Spending the most money on coaching and training should theoretically result in fielding the best coaches, but it doesnt seem to play out that way historically.
Real Madrid and Barcelona have had the best youth setups since the 90s and Spain has still only finished with 1 world cup as a result.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:23 pm to Tiger in NY
There are soccer nerds arguing about technical skill which is legitimately the entire point that WCA postulated
Anyone who thinks we could get 11 NFL players together and they’d crush everyone in soccer is a dumbass
These threads are hilarious
Anyone who thinks we could get 11 NFL players together and they’d crush everyone in soccer is a dumbass
These threads are hilarious
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:24 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Soccer is VERY popular is France AND Africa and its not even close.
Still think its pure athletic ability and NOTHING else?
Of course not, which is why the first few pages of this thread established that this hypothetical was based on soccer being the #1 sport in America. That would imply that we were investing in the best training and coaching, and that the culture supported it. You are the one ignoring that.
This thread has absolutely NOTHING to do with where America actually is in soccer today.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:25 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The entire premise of this argument is a pure athletic boost ALONE would push the US to the top.
That's specifically not the premise of the argument.
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The problem is the CURRENT US players are not getting the level of technical ability other nations get DESPITE being PLENTY athletic enough.
Also this hate needs to be curbed a bit. We shite the bed last night but most of that was mental and lack of prep/tactical changes by Poch. We are very skilled and a top 12-20 side as is.
If we had the same technical ability of this team with our Tier 1 athletes (including the elite Tier 1 guys like Lebron) we'd probably be top 5. The size, speed, and strength with that skill level would dominate, and it would take soccer eliminating physicality (similar to what they did during the Spanish/Barca tiki-taka era to help them win, but even worse) to stop it.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:25 pm to Sun God
I can fix US soccer, using Cape Verde as the template
they went out and found players that had a tentative connection to their country
all we need to do with us soccer is Target the 15 and under players and other countries offer their parents a chance to immigrate
problem solved
they went out and found players that had a tentative connection to their country
all we need to do with us soccer is Target the 15 and under players and other countries offer their parents a chance to immigrate
problem solved
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:26 pm to Sun God
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Anyone who thinks we could get 11 NFL players together and they’d crush everyone in soccer is a dumbass
And literally no one rationally thinks that.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:26 pm to LNCHBOX
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because we do not currently have teh ability to develop technically sound players.
We do produce technically sound players, though
Pulisic starts for Milan
Wes starts for Juventus
Tillman starts for Leverkusen
Balo starts for Monaco
Adams anchors Bomo in the EPL
etc.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:27 pm to OWLFAN86
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I can fix US soccer, using Cape Verde as the template
they went out and found players that had a tentative connection to their country
all we need to do with us soccer is Target the 15 and under players and other countries offer their parents a chance to immigrate
We already do that genius. Half the US team speaks in a British accent.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Another interesting hypothetical is what sport would those dudes excel in other than soccer
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