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re: How is Florida so good at producing Ice Hockey championships and Canada is so putrid

Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60871 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:01 pm to
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You know they have to live in that city right?


You know almost all of the players are from places with cold winter weather? There are more players from Canada than any other country
Posted by UnclePat76
McHenry County Illinois
Member since Sep 2004
3770 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:20 pm to
People are moving out of colder climates to warmer ones. News at 9. Pay attention and you will learn something.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 7:24 pm
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
71094 posts
Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:26 pm to
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right? You know almost all of the players are from places with cold winter weather?


And like many people from Canada they want to get the hell out of it. Hell several players on the team from both Canada, Finland, etc have said how much nicer it is to live down here in a long arse winter sport season.

Add the better weather to the increased tax savings and it isn’t rocket science. You’re free to think otherwise…but you’re wrong.

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That is not the reason, if it was why aren’t the Magic winning NBA title after NBA title? When is the last time the Dolphins won? Meanwhile we had a dynasty in New England and a dominant run in KC, Philly has been in 2 of the last 3 SB


I didn’t say it was THE reason but it’s definitely part of it. It’s almost like in real life people weigh multiple factors when making important decisions.

Also let’s stop pretending that acquiring talent is the same process and contracts are an apples to apples thing as well across multiple leagues. In your ridiculous examples you picked the teams with arguably two of the top 3-4 QBs of all time. One of which one another title…when he moved to Florida. You chose to pick an inept franchise in the magic, but conveniently ignored the NBA team in south Florida who won multiple titles largely by attracting free agents.

The organization, the tax savings, the quality of life for young single guys or with young families are all part of it in the NHL and the Canadians better get used to it.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 9:41 pm
Posted by TigerSooner
Member since Nov 2023
3634 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:04 am to
Communism never works.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
15772 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:58 am to
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Completely arrogant in anything that is "Canadian."

How is it possible to get cocky about maple syrup? It is good. But we still have Vermont.

Seriously, what do they list?

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60871 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:37 am to
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People are moving out of colder climates to warmer ones. News at 9. Pay attention and you will learn something.


And many stay maybe you are the one that should pay attention.

ETA : also players can and many do live somewhere besides the city they play for in the offseason.

This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 10:36 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60871 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:05 am to
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Add the better weather to the increased tax savings and it isn’t rocket science. .


The Florida Panthers have been in existence since 1993. They had zero championships and only 1 Stanley Cup finals appearance before 2022. Did the players just suddenly find out they have nice weather? Did they just change the tax laws?

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In your ridiculous examples you picked the teams with arguably two of the top 3-4 QBs of all time.


Again how were those QB acquired? Did they not have opportunities to leave if weather and taxes where the primary driver? Yea Brady won a title in Tampa were bad weather and taxes the reason he wanted out of NE?

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conveniently ignored the NBA team in south Florida who won multiple titles largely by attracting free agents.


Again was weather and taxes the main factor? Shaq was acquired via trade because he and Kobe could not longer play together and the Lakers kept the better younger player. Weather is not better in Miami than LA. Taxes yes but he previously left Florida for LA he also eventually signed with Cleveland and Boston. Speaking of Cleveland LeBron went back there after Miami he obviously went to Miami in the first place because the Heat offered him the best chance to win a title. The driving factor in both cases was winning because the Heat were a good organization run by an all time NBA great Pat Reilly not the weather.

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You’re free to think otherwise…but you’re wrong


Except I’m not. The reason Tampa and Florida have won 4 of the last 6 titles is because they are good organizations run by good management that knows how to put together a winning team. I’m sure nice weather and taxes are nice benefits they can pitch to free agents but ultimately the teams win because they are managed well. Tampa won it I 2004 between that and their 2020 win the SC champs were either northern teams with bad weather Detroit Chicago Pittsburgh Washington St Louis or high tax LA and multiple Canadian teams have made the finals they just haven’t won.



This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 10:07 am
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42130 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:09 am to
If you were a professional hockey player, where would you rather play? In Florida, or Canada?
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
Member since Jun 2014
10972 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:35 am to
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-Town Tiger

I like how in the first sentence of your first post in this thread you admit that you don’t follow the NHL and yet you continue to post in this thread as some expert on the subject. Gotta respect the absolute arrogance.
Posted by UnclePat76
McHenry County Illinois
Member since Sep 2004
3770 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 10:57 am to
Ummm…think about what I posted and what you just responded. You are embarrassing yourself, kid. Eat some apple sauce and go to take a nap.
Posted by Zendog
Santa Barbara
Member since Feb 2019
6364 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:46 pm to
Florida didn't produce shite. It's a league
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
29246 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 2:21 pm to
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Canadians live on the mythos of "Canadians." If you've ever worked with them... they are often terrible people. Completely arrogant in anything that is "Canadian."


This is so stupid. The OT also rips on Texans for being arrogant. There are constant posts that show how snobby Louisiana is when it comes to their food, just find the one where some dude is calling out Barrett’s for their crawfish boil.

Get out and travel. Every single state has stuff they are prideful about, even on a borderline obnoxious level. And it’s laughable that you think Americans don’t have that same mentality and can be overly prideful.

Canadians love them some Canada…big surprise.
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
24902 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 4:22 pm to
Does where the team is based mean much? Did Massachusetts produce Tom Brady, Moss, Gronk, or Belichick?
Posted by UncleRuckus
Member since Feb 2013
9711 posts
Posted on 6/21/25 at 6:10 am to
This is going to blow your mind. NHL franchises can sign players that aren’t from their state or country. Isn’t that crazy??
Posted by pweezy
Member since Oct 2018
463 posts
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:52 pm to
Bump for the Panthers bringing everyone back
Posted by maizegoblue
Florida
Member since Jan 2011
2191 posts
Posted on 6/30/25 at 5:58 pm to
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matters but not to the extent of being a major factor in developing a Stanley cup winner. A great GM and coach are way more important. See my previous post about Florida teams not winning a cup until the last 5 years , what took them so long if it was all about taxes?


Apparently Tampa’s Stanley Cup from 2004 does not count.
Posted by maizegoblue
Florida
Member since Jan 2011
2191 posts
Posted on 6/30/25 at 6:46 pm to
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If you were a professional hockey player, where would you rather play? In Florida, or Canada?


Steven Stamkos (Tampa’s captain until last year) talked about this when there were always rumors of him “going back home” to play for the Toronto Maple leafs. He is from Ontario. He said he loves the weather and being able to enjoy going the beach and not being mugged by the media. The media in Toronto is ruthless about their hockey they have not won a Stanley Cup since 1967, so of course the fans and media are starving for that too.

It’s quite the embarrassment for an original six team whose fans think the Leafs are God’s gift to hockey.

I hope we can keep extending that streak of Canada not winning a cup since Montreal in 93. It drives them crazy and leads to them rooting other rival Canadian teams in the playoffs. I love it.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 6:48 pm
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10871 posts
Posted on 6/30/25 at 8:17 pm to
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Well income taxes might have something to do with it,,and the salaries thrusly affected


Meanwhile the Miami Dolphins haven't been to a Super Bowl since 1984 and haven't won a Super Bowl since 1973.

In the meantine, teams from New York, California and Taxachussetts alone have won 19 Super bowls.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
6731 posts
Posted on 6/30/25 at 8:22 pm to
I'm a Panthers fan but you do realize that most players on both teams are from Canada, right?
But living on the beach + no state income tax + no pressure since the average Floridian doesn't care about hockey are certainly nice incentives.
Over 1/3 of NHL players are from Ontario but no one wants to be under the microscope in Toronto.
Posted by GoGators1995
Member since Jan 2023
6731 posts
Posted on 6/30/25 at 8:22 pm to
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Apparently Tampa’s Stanley Cup from 2004 does not count.

Nope, doesn't count since that was before the salary cap.
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