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re: How did nba games in the early 2000s sometimes end with 80-78ish scores?

Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:31 am to
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:31 am to
The answer is because if the rules. Back then teams were required to play man defense. If not, it was a violation.

To take advantage of these rules, teams would often clear out an entire side of the floor to let their best player go 1 on 1.

The games turned into boring, slow iso-heavy games that was incredibly boring to watch and resulted in very low-scoring contests.

That’s the reason why they changed the rules. They wanted a more fast-paced open game. So they eliminated the illegal defense rule to force offenses to be more creative.
Posted by CDUBTX
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:00 am to
The game just hasn’t been the same for a long time for various reasons already stated. When you give these freak athletes the ability to take numerous steps either to free themselves for a shot or to get to the basket, then it makes defense almost irrelevant. They walk/travel/carry whatever you like constantly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:23 am to
A lot of it was just coaching choices. Coaches over-emphasized not making mistakes and draining the shot clock down. It's very similar to the mentality of football coaches who run vanilla rushing offenses b/c they're scared (think the "only 3 things happen when you pass and 2 are bad" mentality).

That's why the people online who pretend that was better basketball always make me curious if they go back and watch these shite fests of guys just standing around.

*ETA: one other issue was a talent issue that isn't present today. There wasn't enough talent for the recent expansions. After the Toronto/Vancouver expansion it REALLY hurt the NBA, especially on the back of 2 prior expansions adding 4 teams in the late 80s.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 6:25 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:29 am to
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This is a huge part of it. Freedom of movement era changed how the game was played.


Hand checks are the most overrated thing in online sports discourse.

The partial zone D added much more to thwart offenses than removing the hand check.

People pretend like defenders were able to like legally grab offensive players or some shite back in the day
Posted by MikeyFL
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:31 am to
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The game just hasn’t been the same for a long time for various reasons already stated. When you give these freak athletes the ability to take numerous steps either to free themselves for a shot or to get to the basket, then it makes defense almost irrelevant. They walk/travel/carry whatever you like constantly.



I'll agree with this.

I don't think we truly appreciate how much allowing these bunny hops backwards improves three-point shooting percentages.

If you watch games from the early 2000s and earlier, players dribbling forward had to stop forward their momentum and shoot while falling backwards, lest they get called for a travel. A handful of players like Jordan, Kobe, and Wade perfected this ability to make it reasonably efficient, but it required exceptional body control and jumping ability to avoid a strip or a block. Even really good fadeaway shooters like Carmelo Anthony were never consistently efficient with the shot.

Players today can pick up the ball and literally jump backwards with both legs to land in a shooting position, even if they do a three step shuffle to get set. This gives them a completely stable lift point during the shot, and the degree of difficulty is much, much lower.

Having said this, players to their credit have also maximized their ability to shoot from 3 point range because they know they'll have more open opportunities. It would be interesting to see how many points dead-eye midrange shooters like Drazen Petrovic, Wesley Person, Jeff Hornacek, Dale Ellis, and Mark Price would have scored in the modern NBA. Price is an especially intriguing player because he literally invented the idea of splitting double-teams and always looked like someone who belonged in a more wide-open game.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 6:34 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 7:18 am to
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Players today can pick up the ball and literally jump backwards with both legs to land in a shooting position,

Players in the 90s and 00s did this. They just weren't as good at it for a few reasons (coaching, emulating Jordan, etc.)

Go watch some old Reggie Miller highlights and he'd do this move, for one example, but he was a rarity in those days.

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Price is an especially intriguing player because he literally invented the idea of splitting double-teams and always looked like someone who belonged in a more wide-open game.

Ironically (for this conversation), what would have hurt him in today's game would be his extreme defensive limitations.
Posted by Matador
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 7:20 am to
It wasn’t boring to watch. This new game is unwatchable
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 7:27 am to
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It wasn’t boring to watch.

Yes it was.

The combination of Jordan retiring, the lockout, and this style of play almost killed the NBA. If the NBA didn't have a Kobe/Shaq-led Lakers team, I can only imagine how fricked it would have been.

Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
2172 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 7:52 am to
yes, they actually played defense. The no layup rule was created then. Also, they tended to lay more team offense, working to get everyone involved. Now , it's more like whoever gets the ball it's his turto go 1 on 5. I detest the NBA now. You asked.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 10:57 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 8:28 am to
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Also, they tended to lay more team offense,




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Now , it's more like whoever gets the ball it's his turto go 1 on 5.


Holy shite
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 10:40 am to
It's ok, you can't argue with this level of make believe for someone who believes there was more team offense and passing back in the day.
Posted by Hamma1122
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:01 am to
Defense Big men
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:02 am to
Next we'll hear that everyone loved how NBA players dressed in the early 2000s.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:03 am to
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It's ok, you can't argue with this level of make believe for someone who believes there was more team offense and passing back in the day.


It's so weird

I think offenses did dick around to waste the shot clock, but it wasn't real offensive sets. It was just time wasting, and then they'd get the guy they wanted isolated (which was incredibly easy with the illegal defense rules) with like 8 seconds left on the clock to let him go one-on-one to cook.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:04 am to
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Next we'll hear that everyone loved how NBA players dressed in the early 2000s.


Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 11:04 am to
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Much bigger teams often with multiple non offensive, oversized centers to counter Shaq.


A little later era but I immediately thought of Zaza Pachulia & Jason Collins on the Hawks. Both sucked, but their job was to eat fouls & slow down guys like Dwight Howard
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:20 pm to
They didn’t shoot as many 3s and they would let them play instead of a foul every other position.

Also, flopping was nonexistent
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:22 pm to
A power forward back then was basically a quicker center who could shoot from further than 5 feet out.
Posted by Frac the world
The Centennial State
Member since Oct 2014
21628 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:24 pm to
Long arse, inefficient fade away 2s that have become extinct.

Kobe shot so many hard, shitty long 2s

Now it’s layup or jack up a 3
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
8929 posts
Posted on 5/18/26 at 12:39 pm to
The skill level was low.

As it stands

80's and today had the best talent per team.
Then the 70's, then 2010's, and finally the worst of the last 50 years the 90's, which absolutely sucked.
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