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re: How 5A schools have voted on reunification...
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:43 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:43 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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The split happened because of Evangel and John Curtis. Let’s just call a spade a spade. The 5A and 4A schools got tired of it and forced them into their proper divisions. Then the lower schools wanted the split.
Today, Evangel is basically a shell school, and Curtis is where they belong in 5A. Putting them in the Catholic League made a ton of sense, because now they are competing against schools that have the same sports resources Curtis does.
Things are different now.
But in the lower classes, still a huge resource gap between some of private schools and some of the very poor rural schools.
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Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:52 pm to Tigeralum2008
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The non-selects originally proposed 6 division. 4 non-select and 2 select.
This is reasonable imo. Only adds one division to what we already had. And i see both sides of it. (As a public school guy myself, i could see the unlevel playing field, but also miss those old rivalry games and would rather that than what we have now) . The way it is now with umpteen championships, district championships meaningless, and every team with a pulse making the playoffs is dumb.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:55 pm to teke184
Only 1-5A. 2-5A is unanimous pro unification, outside WM.
Shreve and Byrd are both Magnets; them voting for unification is sound. Not sure whether Parkway is or not. Nor southwood for that matter. If southwood and parkway are indeed magnets like shreve and Byrd they are silly for voting against it.
The best teams yearly all voted for the unification outside Destrehan and WM. Zachary, acadiana, Alexandria, Woodlawn, Ouachita, Ruston.
Also, note Karr and Carencro aren't listed due to it being 2020 vote. They will vote this time around and most are confident they will vote yay and not nay.
This will pass and the players/students will have been done a favor for once.
Shreve and Byrd are both Magnets; them voting for unification is sound. Not sure whether Parkway is or not. Nor southwood for that matter. If southwood and parkway are indeed magnets like shreve and Byrd they are silly for voting against it.
The best teams yearly all voted for the unification outside Destrehan and WM. Zachary, acadiana, Alexandria, Woodlawn, Ouachita, Ruston.
Also, note Karr and Carencro aren't listed due to it being 2020 vote. They will vote this time around and most are confident they will vote yay and not nay.
This will pass and the players/students will have been done a favor for once.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:56 pm to chalmetteowl
For the folks who want reunification, i am honestly curious.... What are your thoughts on IMG academy? Should they be playing in the florida high school playoffs? in a district? Because that is a similar advantage that privates have here. I hate the everyone gets a trophy/playoffs mentality, but there has to be some competitive balance.
I dont know the solution, but would like to hear some thoughts on that.
I dont know the solution, but would like to hear some thoughts on that.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:07 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
There is no advantage, ask Catholic, McKinley (death penalty), southern lab, etc.. can they get kids from outside their zone? Yes, but they must sit out a season first. If they still choose to make the drive they can do so and be eligible.
It isn't the LHSAA but local school districts. Many went allow participation in athletics if you are outside their zone regardless of LHSAA regulation. If you live outside the zoned area you can't play due to local school district rules.
So blame the school board officials and not the LHSAA here. They handicap themselves and try and blame the selects. They cap their kneecaps and then cry foul.
It isn't the LHSAA but local school districts. Many went allow participation in athletics if you are outside their zone regardless of LHSAA regulation. If you live outside the zoned area you can't play due to local school district rules.
So blame the school board officials and not the LHSAA here. They handicap themselves and try and blame the selects. They cap their kneecaps and then cry foul.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:09 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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What are your thoughts on IMG academy? Should they be playing in the florida high school playoffs? in a district? Because that is a similar advantage that privates have here.
Yes, Opelousas Catholic and St Fred’s are definitely on the same level as IMG.
Don’t even get me started on Sacred Heart of Ville Platte. fricking powerhouse there.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:13 pm to ProjectP2294
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Yes, Opelousas Catholic and St Fred’s are definitely on the same level as IMG.
Don’t even get me started on Sacred Heart of Ville Platte. fricking powerhouse there.
Now do John Curtis and Evangel. Obviously none of the schools you listed had anything to do with the split, so lets have a real honest conversation about it instead of throwing out red herrings. Would you answer the question about IMG? Would you be ok with them showing up in your district and playoff race every year? With 5 star players from across the country?
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:16 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
I did answer the question about IMG. Your premise that any school in Louisiana (or anywhere) is similar is fricking preposterous.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:19 pm to CypressTrout10
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It's also the area of the state with the least amount of private high schools
Most of the southeast louisiana private schools voted yes while most of the public schools said no, especially in the NOLA region
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:22 pm to lsupride87
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ETA: All the northshore publics have gaping vaginas too besides Mandeville
Not this time around. Quite a few are voting against the split
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:24 pm to ProjectP2294
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I did answer the question about IMG. Your premise that any school in Louisiana (or anywhere) is similar is fricking preposterous.
Its a similar advantage but on a different scale. And i suspect that your non-answer confirms you would not want IMG competing for the same trophy as your team. I only bring that up so you can see the other side of the argument, because too many in this debate cant see both sides enough to recognize the competitive disadvantage of a school that can draw from a big city vs a small town public school. Even if the school enrollment sizes are the same (or even bigger for the public school).
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:33 pm to Richard Headley
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Jesus, even West Ouachita and Pineville did.
Let me start with I’m against the split and I’ve always been against the split. To be clear though, these two vote for the reunification because they’re on the cusp of 4A and reunification would put enough teams in 5A to put them back down.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:33 pm to TheBob
If true this passes easily and next season 5A will once again be fast tracked to becoming another power force nationally with competition at an all time high.
Carencro and Karr now in 5A with the other schools, like Catholic, Zachary, Acadiana, WM, destrehan, Brother Martin, Ponchy, etc means margin of error is as slim as it has ever been.
Carencro and Karr now in 5A with the other schools, like Catholic, Zachary, Acadiana, WM, destrehan, Brother Martin, Ponchy, etc means margin of error is as slim as it has ever been.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:39 pm to Richard Headley
I hope so. Nothing is unfair IMO. If kids are willing to leave your attendance zone to pay something as opposed to going for free in their attendance zone, that speaks directly to the type of the program you are running.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:43 pm to JJ27
quote:not how it works
they’re on the cusp of 4A and reunification would put enough teams in 5A to put them back down.
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If kids are willing to leave your attendance zone to pay something as opposed to going for free in their attendance zone, that speaks directly to the type of the program you are running.
you can run a great program and be kneecapped by a shitty school or changing demographics that you have no control over
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:47 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Now do John Curtis and Evangel. Obviously none of the schools you listed had anything to do with the split, so lets have a real honest conversation about it instead of throwing out red herrings. Would you answer the question about IMG? Would you be ok with them showing up in your district and playoff race every year? With 5 star players from across the country?
Don't think evangel should be mentioned anymore. They are a shell of what they used to be. Not very good anymore.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:55 pm to Mr LSU2001
Good point. Evangel was the tiny school powerhouse back in my day. John Curtis is certainly impressive the way they have kept it going for so long.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:04 pm to supatigah
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one major benefit of coming back together would be reducing expenses from running two playoffs for the LHSAA
The LHSAA doesn’t incur any expenses with the select playoffs. In fact, they make money in it.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:06 pm to JJ27
You are a good coach JJ. You coached two of my family members and have been exemplary and do the best at putting the kids first.
You should be at the top for promotion at WM with this type attitude. Shows feared no one and backed away from no one. True competitor. He is missed and loss felt.
It is what is lacking at the top right now and without you saying it, you likely know it.
You should be at the top for promotion at WM with this type attitude. Shows feared no one and backed away from no one. True competitor. He is missed and loss felt.
It is what is lacking at the top right now and without you saying it, you likely know it.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 2:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
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But in the lower classes, still a huge resource gap between some of private schools and some of the very poor rural schools.
1A schools like Ouachita Christian, Calvary Baptist, Southern Lab, need to play up one level.
Same with U High, and maybe De La Salle & St. Thomas More.
This is by no means just a problem in Louisiana.
Here's how some other states handle it:
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Alabama: The first state to adopt a multiplier (1999). A 1.35 multiplier is applied to all private school enrollments.
Arkansas: Non-public schools with 80 or more students in grades 10-12 are moved up one classification.
Florida: Has separation of private and public schools in select sports among small schools.
Georgia: Ended a 1.5 multiplier formula for private schools in 2008 after eight years. Data showed that the multiplier did not impact the percentage of private schools winning state titles. Separation of private and public schools in the state's small-school division was approved in 2012.
Illinois: A 1.65 multiplier is applied to private and non-boundaried schools in all sports.
Mississippi: The state association has 13 private schools. A group of school administrators failed to ban private schools from joining the state association in 2013. Other privates compete in an independent state association that also features schools from Arkansas and Louisiana.
Missouri: A 1.35 multiplier is applied to private schools in all sports. An additional 2.0 multiplier is applied to single-sex schools.
(The state where the current LHSAA president came from): Nevada: A point system, based on recent success, is used to move teams up or down a division every two years.
New Jersey: There are multiple classifications and tournaments for public and non-public schools. Some sports bring multiple state champions together to create a Tournament of Champions.
North Carolina: The state association does not allow non-boarding parochial schools to provide financial aid to athletes. There are also separate associations for independent and Christian schools.
Ohio: The current plan includes sports-specific multipliers for football, volleyball, basketball, baseball, softball and soccer.
Oregon: The state association rejected a multiplier proposal in 2012.
Tennessee: Schools are split into two divisions: Division I for publics and privates that don't provide financial aid, and Division II for privates that offer financial aid. A 1.8 multiplier is applied to privates in Division I.
Texas: There are separate associations for public and private schools, but the public association is exploring the idea of including private schools.
Virginia: There are separate tournaments and state associations for public and private schools.
Compilation of how all 50 states handle competitive balance from Cleveland.com
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