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re: Harden had a 5 step travel on a 3 pt attempt...and was awarded with a trip to the line
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:51 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:51 pm to Boomshockalocka
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seen plenty of steph.
How so? You duck out on playoff games to get blasted on Chardonnay.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:52 pm to Boomshockalocka
I agree with the OP that it was a horrible mistake to not call travelling on the play. Haven't read all of the pages but not sure why it appears to be a pissing match regarding Steph, KD, Harden, and Lebron. All are great players still playing at very high levels. Harden gets more hate (regarding on the court play) than the others for different reasons. He hasn't won a ring yet and is the most difficult to officiate.
KD was always less than his potential in big moments before he went to GS. I will be interested to see how he fares after leaving.
KD was always less than his potential in big moments before he went to GS. I will be interested to see how he fares after leaving.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:54 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
What is wrong w Chardonnay
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:56 pm to litenin
Oh I don’t put hardwn Over any of those three. There are four players those three and harden and then a clear drop off to who is #5 in today’s nba. All 4 of are prob top 20 all time players. Tbt steph Kevin and lebron are all probably top 10.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:58 pm to SPEEDY
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Harden had a 5 step travel on a 3 pt attempt...and was awarded with a trip to the line
shite is ridiculous
Takes 5 side steps and a whistle is blown. Of course it isn’t on Harden for the obvious travel. It’s against Rubio giving Harden 3 bull shite free throws
he's a star and therefore receives star treatment, aint nothing new in the league
Posted on 12/18/18 at 3:58 pm to tiggerthetooth
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How many times is the resident MSB Pels fan population going to bitch and moan about Hardwn?
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If your boy Jrue or AD
I started this thread and I am not a Pels fan
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:04 pm to SPEEDY
Write to commissioner.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:10 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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e's a star and therefore receives star treatment, aint nothing new in the league
Why the league always has and always will suck.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:10 pm to sugar71
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Is that some of the reason Harden tends to struggle a bit more in the playoffs ?
Absolutely.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:15 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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he's a star and therefore receives star treatment, aint nothing new in the league
exactly
and harden himself admitted he got away with a travel.
refs miss calls, it happens.
i dont like watching him parade to the foul line either, but the vast majority of his fouls occur because he's an unstoppable offense player, not because the refs have decided to bail him out of every shot or drive
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Why are you acting like the west is some mythical land where Lebron doesn't put up incredible games over and over?
Has played some real low quality playoff teams over his playoff career.
I bet his stats against GS in the playoffs are INSANE.
Dude led a finals series against them in points rebounds assists blocks and steals
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:18 pm to cgrand
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the vast majority of his fouls occur because he's an unstoppable offense player, not because the refs have decided to bail him out of every shot or drive
I'd have to disagree with this. He gets bailed out a lot, he knows he gets bailed out a lot, and he tailors his game to maximize the number of times he gets bailed out in any given game.
Hey, it works, so might as well keep doing it.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:28 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Most of his drawn fouls ( the majority by a long shot) come when he is attacking the rim and has his man beat. Like grand just said. He may get one or two times a game where he tricks someone into fouling him when shooting a three pointer. but the majority is just straight up beating his man off the dribble. Either give Up that easy layup of foul him.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:43 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:According to the tracking data on NBA.com dating back to 2013-2014, 1383 of his 4198 have come on drives to the basket (32.9%). For the current season, 79 of his 264 free throw attempts (29.9%) have come on drives to the basket.
Most of his drawn fouls ( the majority by a long shot) come when he is attacking the rim and has his man beat.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 4:48 pm to buckeye_vol
That tracking data isn’t all that reliable. He can be at three point line and have advantage on his man and that wouldn’t be considered a drive to the basket. Even though that’s where he was headed.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:09 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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He gets bailed out a lot, he knows he gets bailed out a lot, and he tailors his game to maximize the number of times he gets bailed out in any given game.
obviously neither of our takes are supportable by data, and clearly he does get bailed out on occasion. but he's earned that leeway by being so dynamic a scorer. if he wasn't already torching defenders, he wouldn't be getting a call benefit
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:39 pm to Boomshockalocka
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That tracking data isn’t all that reliable
Call it day
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:47 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Remember when it said lebron was the slowest player in the league.
Tbt If you gonna say a certain % of his fouls was A, then you gotta say what % of his fouls were B, c, d, and e. For comparison sake. You gotta define all the other ways that fouls can be classified. Otherwise it is hog wash.
Also with fouls you don’t know if it was intentional by the defense, maybe they were down and fouled to get the ball back. Maybe they had a foul to give.
Tracking data don’t tell you that. And someone who watches CC one or two times a year DEF ain’t where you should be going for your answer neither.
Tbt If you gonna say a certain % of his fouls was A, then you gotta say what % of his fouls were B, c, d, and e. For comparison sake. You gotta define all the other ways that fouls can be classified. Otherwise it is hog wash.
Also with fouls you don’t know if it was intentional by the defense, maybe they were down and fouled to get the ball back. Maybe they had a foul to give.
Tracking data don’t tell you that. And someone who watches CC one or two times a year DEF ain’t where you should be going for your answer neither.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 5:59 pm to slackster
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In the history of basketball, have we ever seen a player get more help from referees than Harden? Seriously.
Magic
Posted on 12/18/18 at 6:05 pm to SPEEDY
We're the players on the Jazz motioning for a travel call?
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