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re: Harden had a 5 step travel on a 3 pt attempt...and was awarded with a trip to the line
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:13 pm to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:13 pm to Boomshockalocka
They both have the ability to get hit and fouled.
Lebron gets hit harder and more often.
When adjusting for fouls, Lebron is actually better at basketball than what the whistles would have you perceive.
On the other hand, Harden isn't quite as good at basketball as the free throw trips would have you perceive.
That's what I mean when I say I disregard some stats for Harden that have the free throw line added in. I know he's great at shooting them when he's there, but that isn't my point.
Because of all this, I think Lebron's game would also travel to other eras better than Harden's.
Harden is more of a product of the times, and not just strictly an all time great.
Lebron gets hit harder and more often.
When adjusting for fouls, Lebron is actually better at basketball than what the whistles would have you perceive.
On the other hand, Harden isn't quite as good at basketball as the free throw trips would have you perceive.
That's what I mean when I say I disregard some stats for Harden that have the free throw line added in. I know he's great at shooting them when he's there, but that isn't my point.
Because of all this, I think Lebron's game would also travel to other eras better than Harden's.
Harden is more of a product of the times, and not just strictly an all time great.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:13 pm to Bigpoppat
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Like I've always said, HardLN is Monta Ellis who gets bail out calls from the refs.
Low IQ post of the year.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
Ok maybe not Monta Ellis, he's more of a Kevin Martin type
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:20 pm to ReauxlTide222
Oh harden is certainly all time great. You got guys liked David Locke who is The Godfather of the locked on network. Analytics maven. Etx etx. He pegged hardwn as the fourth best offensive player of all time. and that was when hardwn wasn’t even at his peak performance yet.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:22 pm to Boomshockalocka
Where does he have Lebron's offensive game pegged?
ETA: Because...not knowing ANYTHING about their ability to play defense...there would literally NEVER be a game of basketball, or a quarter of basketball, in any era, where I would want Harden over Lebron.
ETA: Because...not knowing ANYTHING about their ability to play defense...there would literally NEVER be a game of basketball, or a quarter of basketball, in any era, where I would want Harden over Lebron.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:23 pm to Boomshockalocka
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fourth best offensive player of all time
In Rockets history?
Olajuwon
Calvin Murphy
Rudy Tom
Yao
Malone
Hayes
Mobley (GOAT Rockets 2 guard)
HardLN
Rafer Alston
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:25 pm to ReauxlTide222
Lebron is behind harden offensively. imagine if hardwn has been in the east for his whole career how his numbers resume would look. Holy cow.
Jordan
Durant
Maybe curry were ahead of James.
Idk for sure who was three. You can tweet him and he’ll get you your answer.
Jordan
Durant
Maybe curry were ahead of James.
Idk for sure who was three. You can tweet him and he’ll get you your answer.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:31 pm to ReauxlTide222
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He'd shoot 20+ free throws a game if he was officiated like Harden.
FACT................
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:34 pm to dukke v
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FACT................
FICTION.................
Lebron isnt skillful enough to draw fouls in a skillful manner. Hes a bruiser that's improved his shot over his career.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:35 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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As of this week James Harden has more Free Throws made than Field goals made in his career:
That is absolutely ridiculous.
Is that some of the reason Harden tends to struggle a bit more in the playoffs ? Refs historically swallow the whistles a slight bit more in the playoffs .
Despite that Harden in playoffs career is + 24 in Free throws ( 684 Field goals made to 708 Free Throws ) .
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:46 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Lebron is behind harden offensively
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:46 pm to sugar71
It’s a tighter whistle, combined with the iso heavy offense that causes Harden to be gassed every year, in addition to Harden not always coming to camp in elite shape.
Dribbling or over dribbling, as tracking proves, wears players out.
Flawed system, results prove.
Dribbling or over dribbling, as tracking proves, wears players out.
Flawed system, results prove.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:47 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Lebron isnt skillful enough to draw fouls in a skillful manner.
You are blinded.......
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:47 pm to sugar71
Well 99.99% of players are worse in the playoffs than regular season. It’s a product of playing better teams and more intensive game planning.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:52 pm to dukke v
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You are blinded.......
My eyes couldnt be more open. A lot of football first fans here, so it isn't shocking they adore the more football player types.
HardWn was born to play basketball, no other sport. Lebron could've played football or basketball because his greatest gift is his conventional athleticism.
If the NBA approached the draft the same way the NFL does then Harden wouldn't have been a first round pick. Guys like Steph Curry wouldn't either.
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:53 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Well 99.99% of players are worse in the playoffs than regular season.
This may be true, but but that just makes look even worse in the playoffs.......
Posted on 12/18/18 at 12:59 pm to dukke v
Hardwn took GOAT(4 all star squad) to 7. With no other al stars on his team. Safe to say he is more than adequate in the postseason. I got a hunch.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:01 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:As "we've" pointed out numerous times, he puts up way too many stinkers compared to his peers in the playoffs.
Hardwn took GOAT(4 all star squad) to 7. With no other al stars on his team. Safe to say he is more than adequate in the postseason. I got a hunch
It's a weird thing he seems to do every postseason in relation to his true peers that costs his team dearly.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:11 pm to shel311
He g-sweep every team but GOAT last year. This year he will do the same. does he have to beat GOAT with no other all stars on his squad to impress you? Or maybe he needs to sweep everyone. And not merely g-sweep them.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:19 pm to shel311
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As "we've" pointed out numerous times, he puts up way too many stinkers compared to his peers in the playoffs.
Who? Compared to who? Lebron is the only one that excels in the playoffs but hes always played in the eastern conference. Just list off the guys.
Westbrook hasn't even been to the 2nd round since KD left.
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