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re: Harbaugh a Great Coach, Saban a great recruiter?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:03 am to lsupride87
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:03 am to lsupride87
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Harbaugh has proven he can be a big time winner in multiple environments
Saban hasn’t.
LSU SUCKED before Saban. One title, FORTY FIVE YEARS before Saban won in 2003. The trashing of Saban on this board is hilarious.
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:06 am to JJ27
Trashing? I literally just said Saban is the best ever at sustaining success. But he did not prove he can win at a high level at multiple environments. His only major success is at power 5 big time programs
He didn’t have big success at Michigan state and he failed in the nfl
Harbaugh had major success at a small p5 school, major p5 schools, and the nfl
And lsu was top 10 multiple times with multiple SEC titles in the 45 years before Saban. Saying they sucked is so hyperbolic
He didn’t have big success at Michigan state and he failed in the nfl
Harbaugh had major success at a small p5 school, major p5 schools, and the nfl
And lsu was top 10 multiple times with multiple SEC titles in the 45 years before Saban. Saying they sucked is so hyperbolic
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 8:07 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:09 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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has the luxury of playing in a conference where if you beat that one team you are pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot every year.
The SEC East for the past 10 years?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:14 am to BuckyCheese
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I've always had the opinion Saban is a far better recruiter than he is a coach.
Consistently has the best roster and hasn't won it all since 2018.
I believe that has a lot to do with the revolving door of Coordinators he has going on almost every other season.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:17 am to JJ27
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LSU SUCKED before Saban. One title, FORTY FIVE YEARS before Saban won in 2003. The trashing of Saban on this board is hilarious.
He also led Michigan State to their best record in three decades back in 1999 (9-2). Not sure why that's being discounted here.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 8:18 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:19 am to VolSquatch
Harbaugh is one of several coaches the past decade or so that, if given the same advantages as Saban both on an off the field, would do just as well if not better.
Saban, despite every advantage imaginable, has only gone unbeaten once, and needed officiating help in several games that year to do it. Saban has a roster of players where his second string could beat the majority of P5 teams. Saban doesn't have to worry about compliance issues. Saban had a Bama alum in charge of conference officiating. Saban had a Bama alum in charge of conference scheduling that was changing big match ups before the season began due to "bridge scheduling". The list goes on and on.
And when Saban still inevitably loses those big regular season games, the media swoops in to change the narrative every given year to give him a chance 120 other coaches would never get.
Reality is, with this set up, Bama should have MORE titles and more unbeaten seasons than they have. Coaches like Harbaugh, Meyer, Smart, among others, could do just as well with all of those advantages.
Not saying Saban isn't great. He is, especially when he has a competitive advantage. When he doesn't, he loses to teams like UAB and ULM.
Saban, despite every advantage imaginable, has only gone unbeaten once, and needed officiating help in several games that year to do it. Saban has a roster of players where his second string could beat the majority of P5 teams. Saban doesn't have to worry about compliance issues. Saban had a Bama alum in charge of conference officiating. Saban had a Bama alum in charge of conference scheduling that was changing big match ups before the season began due to "bridge scheduling". The list goes on and on.
And when Saban still inevitably loses those big regular season games, the media swoops in to change the narrative every given year to give him a chance 120 other coaches would never get.
Reality is, with this set up, Bama should have MORE titles and more unbeaten seasons than they have. Coaches like Harbaugh, Meyer, Smart, among others, could do just as well with all of those advantages.
Not saying Saban isn't great. He is, especially when he has a competitive advantage. When he doesn't, he loses to teams like UAB and ULM.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:25 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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he loses to teams like UAB and ULM.
Thats not fair. Dude was playing with Shula's squad.....
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:25 am to BuckyCheese
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Consistently has the best roster and hasn't won it all since 2018.
You say that as if it’s some huge indictment against him. That’s not that long ago.
And he hasn’t had always had the BEST roster.
There is some truth I think to the idea that he’s not the GOAT gameday coach so much as he is the GOAT recruiter plus a good gameday coach.
But that leaves out his ability to maintain discipline and get consistent buy-in year to year from these kids to where playing his teams is always always always a difficult deal. That’s what I think makes him the GOAT coach.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 8:26 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:33 am to Kracka
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Thats not fair. Dude was playing with Shula's squad.....
Your proving my point here whether or not your realize it. LOL
The majority of Harbaugh's team last night were 3 star recruits.
Huge competitive advantage for Saban against UM and couldn't beat him.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:37 am to Earnest_P
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And he hasn’t had always had the BEST roster.
Sorry, but you don’t get to use that excuse if you have had the number 1 or at the very least, a top 3 class for the past 15 years. You can never say you don’t have the best players. If you are saying that THEN you would have to say that Saban is not good at developing his talent?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:45 am to BuckyCheese
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I've always had the opinion Saban is a far better recruiter than he is a coach.
Consistently has the best roster and hasn't won it all since 2018.
*Covid year doesn't count for shite.
Harbs appears to be elite at not only identifying talent but extracting it all from his players. If you go by the rating services UM had no business winning the NC.
since the beginning of online recruiting rankings, Michigan is the least talented team to win a natty.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:46 am to VolSquatch
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The SEC East for the past 10 years?
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VolSquatch
well it could be that we'd have to beat 2 teams but you guys fricking suck
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:47 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Interesting that the name Shula comes up here in this context. I think it was Don (and also Bear Bryant) that Bum Phillips was referring to when he said “he can take his’n and beat your’n, then take your’n and beat his’n” which is exactly the debate here.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:05 am to Seaux_cal_tiger
Absolutely. When Saban doesn’t have the clear recruiting advantages he isn’t the dominant coach he once was. And as you said, he failed miserably in the NFL. He was basically laughed out of the league. Players didn’t respect him. The Saints players might respect Dennis Allen more than Saban was respected in the NFL. Look, Saban is a very good coach who appeared great when the deck was stacked in his favor. All that to say Jim Harbaugh is a much better football coach.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:27 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Reality is, with this set up, Bama should have MORE titles and more unbeaten seasons than they have. Coaches like Harbaugh, Meyer, Smart, among others, could do just as well with all of those advantages.
Meyer and Smart are bad examples, they rely on talent advantages just as much (or more) than Saban does
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:29 am to Nathan Hail
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since the beginning of online recruiting rankings, Michigan is the least talented team to win a natty.
Bingo.
Competitive advantage is everything.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:30 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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you don't believe me pull up Michigan's schedules over the last 5 years on this recent Playoff run. straight
How about we look at SOS since 2018 (dismissing 2020 COVID year)
2018 #9
2019 #4
2020 COVID #31
2021 #3
2022 #9
2023 #3
Oh darn, let's not talk about that, kind of hard on the narrative.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:32 am to BuckyCheese
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I've always had the opinion Saban is a far better recruiter than he is a coach.
Saban is a great coach as well. C’mon guys.
NFL success is very difficult without elite QB play, which every team is looking for. That’s what is so impressive about Mike Tomlin imo.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:37 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Yeah nobody takes that seriously.
The only people that actually count take it seriously.
only sore-arse little losers don't.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:39 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Only the SEC was all in. That was an insular/incestuous SEC title only
And even then all the other SEC teams had players opt out and or miss time due to Covid. Did Bama have a single player miss a game due to positive test? Definitely an * title
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