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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:07 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:07 pm to fightin tigers
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Their pay isn't really competitive across most disciplines especially considering the demands.
Do the teams ever release salaries for personnel such as the pit crews? Always curious what they make, bet probably not much but if you're able to travel the world I could see the appeal for younger guys
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:21 pm to Leonard
Watched this youtube video a couple weeks ago that give a little insight.
Obviously their duties are fulltime plus what they do on Sundays. They could do everything from breaking down equipment to driving the semi trucks to the next site.
I also don't think the pay for pit crew positions is standard across the board. Each tire carrier might get the same bonus for being on the pit crew, but their everyday job puts them at a different base.
Obviously their duties are fulltime plus what they do on Sundays. They could do everything from breaking down equipment to driving the semi trucks to the next site.
I also don't think the pay for pit crew positions is standard across the board. Each tire carrier might get the same bonus for being on the pit crew, but their everyday job puts them at a different base.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:19 pm to fightin tigers
Since we have some downtime, can someone explain to me the relationship between the ‘big’ teams and their smaller associate teams?
For example, MB and Williams. Williams has a glorious history but now they effectively do what Mercedes says? Is it because they are the engine supplier?
For example, MB and Williams. Williams has a glorious history but now they effectively do what Mercedes says? Is it because they are the engine supplier?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:38 pm to weagle99
RBR relationship with Alpha Tauri is different than Merc and Williams.
RBR and AT are owned and operated by the same entity. They have to act autonomously, but what oversight is there really when Helmut, and to a lesser extent Racey Spice, have open access to whatever they like. Red Bull owns all the seats and can swap them at will. They can experiment with AT for what may work at RBR.
Williams and Aston are customer teams with long relationships with Merc. Like Mclaren these relationships date back to before Merc was a constructor. Merc can buy seats, but they don't own seats in those teams. These teams act autonomously from Merc in all aspects, but IP can be traded for seats and other goodies. They bend to Merc a lot when it comes to helping Merc.
Ferrari has Alfa and now Haas in the same aspect as Merc. The teams are truly separated; but get favorable treatment since they are customer teams.
Mclaren is really the last true customer works type team left. They do their own thing and Merc doesn't appear to have a ton of influence any longer.
See the votes for regulation changes to see where loyalties lie.
Obviously, it comes down to money as well. Merc throwing out free engines can get their customer teams to be lap dogs.
RBR and AT are owned and operated by the same entity. They have to act autonomously, but what oversight is there really when Helmut, and to a lesser extent Racey Spice, have open access to whatever they like. Red Bull owns all the seats and can swap them at will. They can experiment with AT for what may work at RBR.
Williams and Aston are customer teams with long relationships with Merc. Like Mclaren these relationships date back to before Merc was a constructor. Merc can buy seats, but they don't own seats in those teams. These teams act autonomously from Merc in all aspects, but IP can be traded for seats and other goodies. They bend to Merc a lot when it comes to helping Merc.
Ferrari has Alfa and now Haas in the same aspect as Merc. The teams are truly separated; but get favorable treatment since they are customer teams.
Mclaren is really the last true customer works type team left. They do their own thing and Merc doesn't appear to have a ton of influence any longer.
See the votes for regulation changes to see where loyalties lie.
Obviously, it comes down to money as well. Merc throwing out free engines can get their customer teams to be lap dogs.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:48 pm to fightin tigers
quote:I was definitely hoping they turned Max down when he couldn’t close the gap on Bottas.
So hard to tell with them all running different engine settings due to power unit changes.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 9:07 pm to southernelite
They might have sent him out with a lower setting from the start.
They can still make moves, but engine modes have to remain the same from the start of quali now. RBR had a detuned engine for rounds 2-4 because of an issue they saw. When they took their 2nd engine they were able to return the power to what they had in the opening round.
Some rumors floated for Mercs renewed performance is that they found a way to turn the engine mode up to quali mode for the entire duration of the engine and not risk reliability. Toto said last year that the goal was to run "party mode" for the entire time since the rules change outlawed quali engine modes.
They can still make moves, but engine modes have to remain the same from the start of quali now. RBR had a detuned engine for rounds 2-4 because of an issue they saw. When they took their 2nd engine they were able to return the power to what they had in the opening round.
Some rumors floated for Mercs renewed performance is that they found a way to turn the engine mode up to quali mode for the entire duration of the engine and not risk reliability. Toto said last year that the goal was to run "party mode" for the entire time since the rules change outlawed quali engine modes.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:16 pm to MLSter
Ill be there
Did GA this year, so I am going to be guessing myself.
Did GA this year, so I am going to be guessing myself.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 8:45 am to MLSter
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So who’s all going next week?
Have a pair of GA but considering selling. Friends backed out and don’t know shite about parking and the likes.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 8:54 am to Lsut81
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and don’t know shite about parking
Take the shuttle.
Walk a long way.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 9:44 am to MLSter
We're in, dropping the kid off at daycare Thursday morning then hitting the road from Lafayette. Our seats are in turn 12 and we have a parking pass for lot F right behind there. We're skipping the track Friday to do some things around Austin, then will be at the track pretty much all day Saturday & Sunday.
Does anyone know if there's a schedule of events? About all I could find is the F1 schedule but was curious about the support series races.
Does anyone know if there's a schedule of events? About all I could find is the F1 schedule but was curious about the support series races.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 9:53 am to YOURADHERE
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Does anyone know if there's a schedule of events? About all I could find is the F1 schedule but was curious about the support series races.
full schedule
Posted on 10/14/21 at 10:06 am to fightin tigers
Bookmarked, appreciate it! 
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:50 pm to fightin tigers
I can’t go to the race, but going to watch the Red Bull show run in Dallas onSaturday, looks like Checo will be there with RB7
Posted on 10/14/21 at 2:46 pm to fightin tigers
Thanks for the solid reply
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:46 am to bikerack
That Miami in early May... guessing it will be just absurdly expensive
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:49 am to bikerack
Nice, happy that I guessed right on the dates for my Airbnb for the CoTA race next year. Got a place 5 minutes from the track for about $200 a night.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:05 pm to TigerAlumni2010
McLaren just posted that Danny Ricc gets his drive in Dale's car at the USGP, I noticed there's "NASCAR Demo" listed for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Is that something else or do we actually get to see Ricc get his drive? That would be cool.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:19 pm to YOURADHERE
The drivers do hot laps before the sessions for promo stuff, usually a celebrity with them. They have been known to get a little crazy through the last turns just to frick with the rider.
Lando and Jimmy Butler
Hamilton and Millie Bobby Brown
Max driving Jos in Monaco
So Danny driving early before pre-race stuff is a definite possiblity. Not sure if Mclaren will want to film a lot of promo stuff to go with it though, which may mean they film it the next day or something.
Lando and Jimmy Butler
Hamilton and Millie Bobby Brown
Max driving Jos in Monaco
So Danny driving early before pre-race stuff is a definite possiblity. Not sure if Mclaren will want to film a lot of promo stuff to go with it though, which may mean they film it the next day or something.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 12:33 pm to fightin tigers
The Lando/Jimmy Butler one is one of my favorites, I use "Oh you drivin, drivin" regularly.
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