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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:57 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:57 pm to BuckyCheese
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Here's the turn. See the darker part of the track? That is the preferred line. Perez was on the preferred, racing, line coming into the corner.
See how much the darker part of the track widens going into the turn, all the way down to the inside corner? Remind me, where was Norris positioned in the corner again?
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You attempts at using semantics, rubber buildup versus tire marks, is both comical and sad.
Oh look, the “pro” is mad he got caught making shite up again about rubber buildup being on the track literally the second time cars are racing through that corner that day.
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Do you know what tire marks are? Rubber ground into the track.
I do indeed. Do you know what the difference between rubber buildup and rubber ground into the track is? It doesn’t seem like it.
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btw-How many times are you going to post the picture that I responded to half an hour ago?
Until you actually respond to it. Since you used a still picture to “prove” Perez was ahead going into the turn, why are you so afraid to answer who this still picture “proves” is ahead in the turn? Here, I’ll post it for you again.
For the 4th time.
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I'm not continually referring to other racing, although passing is pretty similar in all disciplines.
“And if you try that move against someone with fenders they are likely to dump your arse when they get back up to you.”
“ Some amateur racing series consider that good enough to own the corner.”
What else do you want to lie about?
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The fact you claim Norris was ahead by three car lengths entering the corner when photo evidence shows quite the opposite,
Speaking of lying, how much longer are you going to pretend this sentence didnt immediately precede the 3 car lengths quote you’re whining about?
“If you’re just going to continue making things up then I guess I’ll start too.”
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while also saying car is "ahead if it has a shorter distance to go"
I see you’re still mad about not knowing what ahead means
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Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:17 am to BuckyCheese
F1 must avoid equivalent of diving footballers, says Horner
So wait, Perez’s boss also agrees that:
1. Norris should not have been penalized,
2. Perez’s move was a risk that shouldn’t have been rewarded, AND
3. Perez was not ahead of Norris
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With the sanctions appearing to have gone against a ‘let them race’ philosophy that F1 has operated with for a while, Horner is concerned that a bad precedent could be made. He thinks it's vital that the way the penalties were handed out in Austria does not open the door for drivers to feel that the easiest way to beat rivals now is to throw their car off the track around the outside to try to get others a punishment.
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Horner said it has long been acknowledged that drivers trying to go around the outside of a rival at a corner put themselves at the mercy of the car on the inside. “The incident between Checo and Lando, that's racing,” he said. “You go around the outside, you take the risk, particularly when you're not in a position of being ahead.”
So wait, Perez’s boss also agrees that:
1. Norris should not have been penalized,
2. Perez’s move was a risk that shouldn’t have been rewarded, AND
3. Perez was not ahead of Norris
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:35 am to Open Your Eyes
You really are destroying this Buckcheese guy now. Have mercy on the fool!
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:15 am to Dirk Dawgler
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 5:27 am
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:36 am to fightin tigers
Australia officially canceled
Sucks. Was excited to see the how the improved layout worked.
Sucks. Was excited to see the how the improved layout worked.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 5:38 am
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:23 am to fightin tigers
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Sucks. Was excited to see the how the improved layout worked.
Yeah, that fricking sucks.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:31 am to fightin tigers
I mentioned it maybe a couple pages back but Joe Saward was on Missed Apex last week and was saying Australia would likely be cancelled as Australia would only allow the race to go forward if Formula 1 could guarantee not a single positive Covid test, which is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:01 am to YOURADHERE
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Australia would only allow the race to go forward if Formula 1 could guarantee not a single positive Covid test, which is ridiculous.
It’s a weird and stupid position.
I assume the Australians wanted to cancel it, but lacked the courage to own that decision.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:09 am to Lima Whiskey
Everyone was expecting a second race to be guaranteed if Australia and/or Brazil fell, but there has been a lot of talk again about the triple headers being tough to pull off.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:33 am to fightin tigers
Are there any good replacement options?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:03 am to Lima Whiskey
I would think 2 races at the same venue is the best alternative. Just don't know how receptive everyone will be to another triple header.
Japan already canceled Moto GP, so I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel F1. Maybe they are waiting to see how the Olympics goes first.
Two races in Saudi or another race somewhere in the desert is probably an option as well.
Japan already canceled Moto GP, so I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel F1. Maybe they are waiting to see how the Olympics goes first.
Two races in Saudi or another race somewhere in the desert is probably an option as well.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:06 pm to BuckyCheese
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Can tell the vast majority of race fans have never actually turned a wheel in anything other than a go cart with bumpers all around.
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Your lack of knowledge is comical
No offense Bucky. I don’t know you or your exp. but you are wrong.
Literally every former driver, every commentator, podcast and now even Christian Horner is saying the opposite of you.
So unless you are secretly Toto Wolff….you are the person arguing the unknowledgeable argument.
If that’s Ham and not Lando there is no way they call that.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:04 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Literally every former driver, every commentator, podcast and now even Christian Horner is saying the opposite of you.
They are pretty split. Even on race day the extremely pro-Lando commentary knew he was going to get a penalty. The post race had a great back and forth where Will Buxton was running down everyone who sided with him for the penalty. It was a great back and forth.
Even the 3 race stewards, who know a little about racing, thought they deserved penalties by the rules.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:17 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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If that’s Ham and not Lando there is no way they call that.
Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here, but Hamilton was penalized for the same thing at the same corner last year, although the infraction was more obvious because Albon was significantly ahead when they touched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHBgQw5OecA
The Hamilton/Albon incident illustrates better why this situation is so tricky. When they entered the corner Hamilton was ahead, but Albon was on softer and fresher rubber so he was much faster. When they were at the apex they were even, and then Albon quickly surged ahead. The problem is that before they even reach the apex, their eyes are looking far beyond the apex to the corner exit. The guy on the outside has a much easier time seeing the guy on the inside in his peripheral vision. The guy on the inside is looking away from the guy on the outside, so it's harder to see where he is, and his brain is already telling his foot to get maximum drive out of the corner.
There has to be a rule for this situation, but the judgment of the driver is different depending on if he happens to be the guy on the outside or the guy on the inside in a particular situation.
1. If the guy on the outside is going to give up the corner, he does it at the entrance. If he commits to racing through the corner, he never gives up while driving out of the corner (even if he's slightly behind at that point), and he always believes he's entitled to track at the exit.
2. If he happens to be the guy on the inside the next time around, before he even reaches the apex he no longer sees the guy on the outside and his brain is instinctively calculating how hard he can mash the throttle to get maximum drive out to the exit. He knows that if he eases up the throttle slightly to make sure he leaves room on the outside, that there's a great danger that he will get passed on the outside, and that would make him sick to his stomach, so he doesn't even consider doing that. He rationalizes that the whole corner is his and he drives as if there is no one else there.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:08 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here, but Hamilton was penalized for the same thing at the same corner last year, although the infraction was more obvious because Albon was significantly ahead when they touched.
Yep.
The gif I posted a few pages back of Max forcing Leclerc off was not penalized even though it was a clear infraction of the rule.
Part of the problem lies with the outcome of pushing Leclerc off wasn't as bad so stewards aren't as likely to penalize, which is bullshite problem
The other is that there is no consistency because the stewards change every race. So these types of inconsistencies will happen.
This post was edited on 7/6/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:12 am to fightin tigers
Alright the race is over, can we end the 3 page pissing match?
Jesus.
Jesus.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:45 am to STLhog
Next week will be the first sprint qualifying race. Really interested to see how it plays out, and if it is a positive addition to race weekend.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:56 am to STLhog
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Alright the race is over, can we end the 3 page pissing match?
We could talk about this weeks race....
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:13 pm to fightin tigers
Info on the ridiculous 
sprint race qualy format.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12522/12355350/f1-sprint-rules-explained-british-grand-prix-debuts-new-trial-race-weekend-format-at-silverstone
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-british-gp-sprint-qualifying-race-start-time-how-to-watch/6629861/
Because the top 3 sprint race finishers get points, that might make it interesting up front. But otherwise I think people will want to just keep it on track and avoid contact.
sprint race qualy format. https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12522/12355350/f1-sprint-rules-explained-british-grand-prix-debuts-new-trial-race-weekend-format-at-silverstone
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-british-gp-sprint-qualifying-race-start-time-how-to-watch/6629861/
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The 100km distance will work out to be 17 laps of the 3.7-mile Silverstone circuit.
The Saturday sprint is therefore expected to last 25-30 minutes, with the condensed and stripped-down nature of the racing action designed to be part of the appeal to spectators and TV viewers.
Because the top 3 sprint race finishers get points, that might make it interesting up front. But otherwise I think people will want to just keep it on track and avoid contact.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:28 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
quote:The results also set the grid for the actual GP, which is important.
Because the top 3 sprint race finishers get points, that might make it interesting up front
ETA: interesting that all drivers are now required to run softs for the entire knockout qualifying session, and the top 10 are no longer locked into a starting tire for the GP.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 12:34 pm
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