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re: Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:34 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:34 pm to BuckyCheese
Who pissed in your Wheaties?
Lighten up. People are simply asking questions. The arrogant holier than thou answers do nothing to add to the discussion.
Lighten up. People are simply asking questions. The arrogant holier than thou answers do nothing to add to the discussion.
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:39 pm to Vidic
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I still don’t understand what Lando is supposed to do there. Does he not have the right to the racing lane?
Every time. You have to leave a space.
As much as I hate the penalties for hard racing, by the rule it fit.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:45 pm to BuckyCheese
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
Every single person watching and commentating on the race says Norris did nothing wrong there, but yea you're the clairvoyant one
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And if you try that move against someone with fenders they are likely to dump your arse when they get back up to you.
The fact that you feel the need to mention this shows exactly how much of an argument you don’t have.
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The line, which seems to be so in question, is from the inside of the corner at the apex to track out, the edge of the track.
Your line is the most efficient path around the race track that your car has unobstructed access to. Perez was never ahead of Norris despite your hilarious claims to the contrary. Norris was ahead going into the curve and better positioned going into the curve. Therefore is Norris’ line and Perez’s line intersect, it’s Perez’s responsibility to adjust, not Norris’
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If another car is there you do not get to just drive through them.
That’s not what Norris did. It’s what Perez was trying to do until he bailed onto the gravel.
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Go back to your go carts.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:47 pm to fightin tigers
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Every time. You have to leave a space.
As much as I hate the penalties for hard racing, by the rule it fit.
People say they want to see more passing, yet howl when a guy is penalized for pushing a guy making a pass right off into the kitty litter.
Want to make sure no one ever makes a strong outside move? Make it ok for the guy pinched on the inside to knock him off the track.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:57 pm to Open Your Eyes
Using your logic concerning the "line" Perez is both on it and ahead here going into the corner. Meaning he could turn down on Norris with impunity.
No, doesn't work that way either.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:04 pm to BuckyCheese
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Using your logic concerning the "line" Perez is both on it and ahead here going into the corner.
For someone that fancies himself such an expert, you sure do seem to have a hard time understanding that when 2 cars are wheel to wheel heading into a corner, the inside car has less distance to travel and is therefore ahead. You also conveniently ignore the fact that Norris stated braking earlier going into that corner, because he could, because he had better position.
How many times throughout a race do we see someone go deep diving into a corner trying to make a pass and having to bail out at the last second because they don’t have position? That’s exactly what happened here. The only difference is Perez foolishly didn’t bail out, and was inexplicably rewarded for it.
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Meaning he could turn down on Norris with impunity.
Apparently the word unobstructed is also a foreign concept.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:09 pm to BuckyCheese
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Using your logic concerning the "line" Perez is both on it and ahead here going into the corner. Meaning he could turn down on Norris with impunity.
This is probably the most illuminating way to look at it. Perez is indeed on the racing line at corner entrance, and Lando is taking a defensive line. But no one can argue that Perez is thus entitled to the apex,
just like people shouldn't be arguing that Lando is obviously entitled to the edge of the track at the exit. Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:11 pm to Open Your Eyes
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The only difference is Perez foolishly didn’t bail out, and was inexplicably rewarded for it.
I wouldn't say inexplicable, the problem is inconsistent interpretation and enforcement of the rules from race to race. The drivers argue just as much as the fans over the penalties.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:19 pm to Open Your Eyes
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the inside car has less distance to travel and is therefore ahead.
No, that is not how it works. Ahead is ahead. Perez was half a car ahead of Norris going into the corner. Some amateur racing series consider that good enough to own the corner. Pros obviously do not, but it is something to note. quote:
Meaning he could turn down on Norris with impunity.
Apparently the word unobstructed is also a foreign concept.
Apparently you think unobstructed only applies to one of the drivers. The line Norris wanted to use was definitely obstructed by Perez who was wheel to wheel with him at exit.
Using your logic Norris can simply hold anyone at bay by moving off line going into the corner and then pushing out to the edge of the racing surface exiting the corner regardless if anyone is there.
F1 has a rule saying a driver cannot push another off the racing surface. To deny Norris did just that is comical.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:27 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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But no one can argue that Perez is thus entitled to the apex, just like people shouldn't be arguing that Lando is obviously entitled to the edge of the track at the exit.
Exactly
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:37 pm to BuckyCheese
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No, that is not how it works.
Yes, that’s exactly how it works. The driver closest to the finish line is the driver ahead. What don’t you understand about that?
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Perez was half a car ahead of Norris going into the corner.
If you’re just going to continue making things up then I guess I’ll start too.
Perez was 3 car lengths behind Norris heading into the corner.
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Some amateur racing series consider that good enough to own the corner. Pros obviously do not, but it is something to note.
Oh look, introduction of irrelevant talking points again to hide the fact that you don’t have an actual point.
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Apparently you think unobstructed only applies to one of the drivers.
Apparently you can’t keep up with your own hypotheticals. In the picture you posted, if Perez “turned down on Norris” as you proposed he would hit Norris. Thats not unobstructed.
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The line Norris wanted to use was definitely obstructed by Perez who was wheel to wheel with him at exit.
Perez was in the gravel at the exit. But please, continue making things up.
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Using your logic Norris can simply hold anyone at bay by moving off line going into the corner and then pushing out to the edge of the racing surface exiting the corner regardless if anyone is there.
That unobstructed word sure is elusive.
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F1 has a rule saying a driver cannot push another off the racing surface. To deny Norris did just that is comical.
Perez pushed himself off the racing surface by not bailing out of a ridiculous overtake attempt.
If Perez was ahead and had the racing line as you continue to claim Norris wouldn’t have had the opportunity to push him off the racing surface. So which is it?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:39 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Perez was 3 car lengths behind Norris heading into the corner.
Just ignoring the picture, eh?
I'll just ignore the rest of your post as you are obviously clueless.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:41 pm to BuckyCheese
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But no one can argue that Perez is thus entitled to the apex, just like people shouldn't be arguing that Lando is obviously entitled to the edge of the track at the exit.
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Exactly
Literally what you’ve been doing the last 2 pages
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:46 pm to Open Your Eyes
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just like people shouldn't be arguing that Lando is obviously entitled to the edge of the track at the exit.
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Exactly
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Literally what you’ve been doing the last 2 pages
You need some reading comprehension lessons.
Or you have no idea what the apex is.
I said using YOUR logic Perez was entitled to the apex as he had the line coming into the corner.
Here is exactly what I said concerning the photo of Perez ahead going into the corner, on the racing line;
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Using your logic concerning the "line" Perez is both on it and ahead here going into the corner. Meaning he could turn down on Norris with impunity.
No, doesn't work that way either.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:53 pm to BuckyCheese
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Just ignoring the picture, eh?
Just ignoring the fact that Norris started braking earlier because he had better position for the 3rd time, eh?
Since you’re all about still photos to tell the story of cars moving at 200+ mph, who’s ahead here?
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I'll just ignore the rest of your post as you are obviously clueless
Yea, I would too if I was an “pro” that couldn’t even hold my own against some “clueless” guy on an internet message board.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:56 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Just ignoring the fact that Norris started braking earlier because he had better position for the 3rd time, eh?
Do you know why he braked earlier?
It certainly wasn't because he was on the preferred line.
He braked earlier as he had to pinch his car into the corner, meaning he had to slow down more than if he had been on the preferred line. Where Perez was.
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Since you’re all about still photos to tell the story of cars moving at 200+ mph, who’s ahead here?
So while racing wheel to wheel, if a guy manages to get 2 feet ahead of the other he is given carte blanche and can drive out to the edge of the track as if no one is there.
No, doesn't work that way. F1 doesn't think so either.
"Unobstructed"
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:02 pm to BuckyCheese
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Do you know why he braked earlier?
Yes, because he was in the better position on the track and didn’t have to attempt a ridiculous outside overtake.
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It certainly wasn't because he was on the preferred line.
Yes, that’s exactly why it was.
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He braked earlier as he had to pinch his car into the corner, meaning he had to slow down more than if he had been on the preferred line. Where Perez was.
He braked earlier because he had track position and had better control of his car going into the corner than Perez, who’s only chance of executing that overtake was to carry more speed than he could handle into the corner to go the long way around.
Why don’t you want to talk about pictures anymore? Who’s ahead here?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:07 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Do you know why he braked earlier?
Yes, because he was in the better position on the track and didn’t have to attempt a ridiculous outside overtake.
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It certainly wasn't because he was on the preferred line.
Yes, that’s exactly why it was.
The preferred line is not the middle of the track. You can see the line from the rubber buildup. Right where Perez is entering the corner.
Your lack of knowledge is comical.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:23 pm to BuckyCheese
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The preferred line is not the middle of the track.
Good thing that’s not where Norris was then, isn’t it.
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You can see the line from the rubber buildup. Right where Perez is entering the corner.
It’s lap 4 with a safety car the previous 2 laps, there is no rubber buildup. What you see are tire marks from people breaking hard going into the corner. You keep trying though, you’ll get one eventually.
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Your lack of knowledge is comical.
If that’s true, what does it say for you that you keep having to resort to “if this was another type of racing...” arguments, or that you don’t know what ahead means?
And I noticed you forgot to reply about the still picture. Again. No worries, I’ll repost it here for you. Again.
Who’s ahead here?
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:35 pm to Open Your Eyes
Here's the turn. See the darker part of the track? That is the preferred line. Perez was on the preferred, racing, line coming into the corner. Norris was to the inside. ie-Middle of the track.
The line does not simply disappear between races.
You attempts at using semantics, rubber buildup versus tire marks, is both comical and sad. Do you know what tire marks are? Rubber ground into the track.
btw-How many times are you going to post the picture that I responded to half an hour ago?
I'm not continually referring to other racing, although passing is pretty similar in all disciplines.
The fact you claim Norris was ahead by three car lengths entering the corner when photo evidence shows quite the opposite, while also saying car is "ahead if it has a shorter distance to go" while physically being behind another car shows you have some problems.
The line does not simply disappear between races.
You attempts at using semantics, rubber buildup versus tire marks, is both comical and sad. Do you know what tire marks are? Rubber ground into the track.
btw-How many times are you going to post the picture that I responded to half an hour ago?
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If that’s true, what does it say for you that you keep having to resort to “if this was another type of racing...” arguments, or that you don’t know what ahead means?
I'm not continually referring to other racing, although passing is pretty similar in all disciplines.
The fact you claim Norris was ahead by three car lengths entering the corner when photo evidence shows quite the opposite, while also saying car is "ahead if it has a shorter distance to go" while physically being behind another car shows you have some problems.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 11:39 pm
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