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re: Ex-Badger Quintez Cephus found not guilty of rape
Posted on 8/2/19 at 10:56 pm to 1BamaRTR
Posted on 8/2/19 at 10:56 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Also like to mention that the jury (which included 6 women) came to a verdict in 45 minutes
Fyi...I read it was 30 minutes and if I was charged with rape I would want 12 women on the jury.
2 women running out of an apartment with 2 eyewitnesses obviously upset is not the best look for a consent argument. And him not drinking looks bad as well.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:03 pm to JodyPlauche
Well with how our legal system works, the prosecution has to prove without a reasonable doubt. Not that maybe he might have done something.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:23 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Not that maybe he might have done something.
I agree. I never said the prosecution proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted on 8/2/19 at 11:36 pm to JodyPlauche
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So a drunk person is not credible to testify...but 2 drunk women are able to consent...even though they testified they were too drunk?
Understood, but like has already been said, we have a drunk witness claiming things about an alleged victim who evidently wasn't as drunk as she testified.
I'm not picking sides on this, but certainly you understand why that type of testimony is tough to build a case on.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 2:12 am to nvasil1
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certainly you understand why that type of testimony is tough to build a case on.
I read the post on the O-T. A confession is tough to build a case on.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 2:56 am to Packer
He should be immediately reinstated to both the school and team and get whatever disposable cash these counts might have.
This is why no one should be expelled/fired/kicked out of ANYTHING based on an accusation. You must wait until the legal process plays out.
This is why no one should be expelled/fired/kicked out of ANYTHING based on an accusation. You must wait until the legal process plays out.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 4:38 am to The Ostrich
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Like if you weren't impaired and there's video evidence of that why would accuse some of rape just cause you regretted it?
If you claim rape then you are absolved from being a whore.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 6:26 am to ForeverEllisHugh
You get a fairer shake in a Soviet show trial than you do in a student conduct hearing.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 7:30 am to JodyPlauche
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2 women running out of an apartment with 2 eyewitnesses obviously upset is not the best look for a consent argument. And him not drinking looks bad as well.
Except it didn’t happen.
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The video shows the woman walking out of Cephus' apartment, then "locating the exit without difficulty and starting down the stairs without demonstrating any signs of impairment," the motion states. The other woman is then seen talking briefly with Cephus at his apartment door, conversing normally without any need to lean against anything. Both go back into the apartment briefly, and then Cephus, Davis, the woman and another woman leave the apartment and then the building, the motion states. About 3:14 a.m., the lawyers wrote, the woman who left first sent a text message to Cephus saying that she left her Juul vaping device at his apartment and asked him to let her know if he found it. "This demonstrates that she remembered that she knew Cephus, knew his name, knew how to get in touch with him, remembered she was at his house, remembered that she had her "Juul" with her, and remembered that she left it there," Meyer and Stilling wrote. The lawyers wrote that she closed the text message with heart and kiss emojis.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 7:48 am to Packer
Should be jail time for the accuser.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 8:48 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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This is why no one should be expelled/fired/kicked out of ANYTHING based on an accusation. You must wait until the legal process plays out.
Right or wrong, inaction from the University while they wait for the investigation to finish would create massive protests and negative media attention. A student-athlete losing their shot at an education or chance at a professional career is a small price they are willing to pay.
It’s sad.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 9:14 am to ForeverEllisHugh
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He should be immediately reinstated to both the school and team and get whatever disposable cash these counts might have.
Quintez Cephus can ball. Some program is going to get a very good player — dude has NFL talent.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 10:47 am to The Ostrich
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See I'll never understand this. Like if you weren't impaired and there's video evidence of that why would accuse some of rape just cause you regretted it?
Because there are no real repercussions.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 2:08 pm to bad93ex
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inaction from the University while they wait for the investigation to finish would create massive protests and negative media attention.
College is a place to learn. In this instance, reactionary virtue signalers get to learn about the fundamental pillar of American criminal justice that is presumption of innocence.
And the media can learn to DIAF as usual.
Posted on 8/3/19 at 11:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Metoo movement has been net negative
A lot of my older female friends hate it with a passion. If you're a guy manager, it's insane to take a female underling under your wing and open yourself up to it.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:16 am to JodyPlauche
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This is not what consent looks like
Except the video showing a different story.
Guy had 2 chicks. He did nothing he wouldnt have done in any other circumstances.
The women were doing everthing on thier own, walking, vaoing, drinking, etc etc etc
Why would having sex be any different? They were in there together. He wasnt forcing 2 women at the same time...just not possible.
But the second they are finished, then they were upset?
I dont know what happened in that bed. But they tried to embellish the story and were busted on several parts as not telling the truth. Even the video ahowed a different account.
That in itself, is reason for an acquittal.
But seriously, i feel for the youth. Someone can have regret AFTER spending an evening with a guy, and his life can be ruined.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:05 pm to GeeOH
This from a couple of attorney friends living in the Madison-area familiar with some of the details:
The case should never have made it to trial based on the evidence presented to the prosecutor. Father of the accuser is a prominent person in Madison and is on the UW Board of Regents and used some of his influence getting the charges brought forth.
The case should never have made it to trial based on the evidence presented to the prosecutor. Father of the accuser is a prominent person in Madison and is on the UW Board of Regents and used some of his influence getting the charges brought forth.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 4:24 pm to Packer
I feel the need to clarify I was joking and don’t plan on committing an act of violence in the wake of recent events considering the “incel” movement.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 8/4/19 at 5:51 pm to AZBadgerFan
Good to hear from legal minds, but everyone knew this was shite from the start. Got a kid expelled and his name ran through the mud. I hope Quintez goes somewhere and rips it up. Dude is an NFL player. Decommited from a basketball scholarship at Furman to play football at Wisconsin.
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