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re: ESPN Top 74 NBA players of all time- Updated
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:34 am to Rep520
Posted on 5/13/20 at 10:34 am to Rep520
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Also, there's no way Reggie Miller is a top 50 player.
Maybe so but in Reggie’s defense how many perennial All-Stars did he play with? Rik Smits (Dunkin Dutchman)? Mark Jackson? Dale Davis? Curious.
His potential best team may have been the 2005 Pacers that Ron Artest blew up.
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Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:34 am to RPtoDoubleT
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Absolutely. Ray Allen should be ahead of Reggie Miller and Gary Payton. But I loved He Got Game and dem boobies.
I could see GP over Ray. He was a dominant defender and just a different sort of player.
The difficulty I have with Ray/Reggie is that they're virtually identical in terms of play styles and Ray did it better and has rings.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:38 am to Rep520
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The difficulty I have with Ray/Reggie is that they're virtually identical in terms of play styles and Ray did it better and has rings.
While they never did much outside of one playoff appearance, those Ray Allen/Rashard Lewis/Luke Ridnour teams were fun to watch. Allen and Lewis would just launch them up
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:39 am to Boomshockalocka
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But I have notice people overrating then heck out of Pippen, Grant, and Rodman lately. A lot of this is an attempt to prop up lebron
haha more like i see you and a couple of others trashing these guys as scrubs in order to trash Lebron by making it sound like Jordan won with bad teams
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:47 am to H-Town Tiger
Was never a Jordan fan. Back when I was younger I wasn’t a fan of the game and appreciate all players like I am now. Back then I was Houston only. Didn’t like any other teams or players. Today I don’t dislike and team or player. I am a fan of the league more than any one team. Ie I am not biased towards Jordan even a little. The facts are right there in front of you. It is not particularly close between him and lebron.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:56 am to slackster
Magic should be #2.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:04 pm to Boomshockalocka
I mean its impossible to explain to some one that sees everything in extremes with no in between. I too would rank Jordan #1 but think James is clearly an all time great and has a great case for at worst #2, so saying its not close is not true. You certainly seem to be biased against James if not for Jordan.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:04 pm to dukke v
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Magic should be #2.
for the Lakers, maybe
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:05 pm to dukke v
Is this a good thread to reopen the debate from a few weeks ago where certain posters were under the impression that the 2016-17 Warriors could beat a lineup of #2, 3, 5, 9 and 16 from this list?
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:09 pm to QJenk
Larry Bird should be top 5. I don’t care who they drop.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
I got lebrin #2 also. But the Gap is big between one and two. Lebron will get passed for #2 someday, he will certainly never surpass mike that ship has sailed.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
Stop....Magic revolutionized the NBA to heights it had ever seen. A 6’9 point guard that could dribble and get rebounds and have the time if his life while doing it?????? His performance in game 6 of the 1980 NBA finals is one of the best in NBA history when it needed a shot in the arm. It was on tape delay..... after that those tape delay games were a thing of the past. Magic is #2......
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
He will surpass MJ in every statistical category possible. He already has an argument to be #1 as this is purely subjective in the first place, but another ring or two with being truly dominate in the playoffs then that already strong argument becomes considerably stronger.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:18 pm to rollthatback
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Is this a good thread to reopen the debate from a few weeks ago where certain posters were under the impression that the 2016-17 Warriors could beat a lineup of #2, 3, 5, 9 and 16 from this list?
One of the staggering parts of this list is that #2, 3, 5, 6, 9 and 10 played with the Lakers for part or all their career.
No other team but the Celtics has multiple top ten guys, and they only have 2. Wilt and LeBron may only be semi-Lakers, but 4-6 of the top ten is ridiculous.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:22 pm to dukke v
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Stop....Magic revolutionized the NBA to heights it had ever seen. A 6’9 point guard that could dribble and get rebounds and have the time if his life while doing it?????? His performance in game 6 of the 1980 NBA finals is one of the best in NBA history when it needed a shot in the arm. It was on tape delay..... after that those tape delay games were a thing of the past. Magic is #2......
I was tracking along with you until you got to the end lol. Magic is amazing, but he is also not better than Lebron.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:24 pm to HippieTiger
Lebron wins on longevity. Mike was better at his peak.
Titles is the tiebreaker. That is where it is a runaway. Mike is 6 for 6 and lebron can never come close to that.
Lebron doesn’t get extra credit for winning the pitiful East however many times in a row. Competiton was putrid.
And then we saw him get shellacked 4-0, 4-1 v GSW. Embarrasing. Losing to Dallas when he was on a super team, embarrassing.
Titles is the tiebreaker. That is where it is a runaway. Mike is 6 for 6 and lebron can never come close to that.
Lebron doesn’t get extra credit for winning the pitiful East however many times in a row. Competiton was putrid.
And then we saw him get shellacked 4-0, 4-1 v GSW. Embarrasing. Losing to Dallas when he was on a super team, embarrassing.
This post was edited on 5/13/20 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:30 pm to QJenk
For the era that he played in and the things he did for the sport he is #2. We all know the saying” I want to be like Mike”. BUT once people saw what Magic could do game after game it was obvious that at the time people wanted to be like Magic.And he learned to hit the three ball latter in his career that made his game even more lethal.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:31 pm to Boomshockalocka
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That is where it is a runaway. Mike is 6 for 6 and lebron can never come close to that.
Lebron doesn’t get extra credit for winning the pitiful East however many times in a row. Competiton was putrid.
If you count LeBron's comparatively weaker Eastern competition, I don't see why you don't count MJ's comparatively weaker Finals competition.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:34 pm to Rep520
Well it was ALOT harder for MJ to even get to the finals when he played. Impaired to LeBron. Once there he dominated. LeBron???? Had an easier riad to the finals and has not been as good at that time as MJ was. It’s pretty simple.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 12:35 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Mike was better at his peak.
Again, subjective. LeBron was an absolute animal at his peak and took amazingly average teams and coaches places they would have only dreamed of without him. My opinion likely won't change that you can call them 1a and 1b in whatever order you prefer.
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