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re: ESPN Top 74 NBA players of all time- Updated

Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:36 am to
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:36 am to
You cannot out Davis anywheres close to harden. Davis has one top 3 mvp finish. Harden has 4 top 2s. They are a different class of player.


Top 10 all time at each of big 3 advanced metrics.

Per, WS/48 and BPM.

He will finish up with 10+ all nba teams. Top 5 scorer.

Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:41 am to
Here is the problem you have. I can assure you that way more NBA GM’s would take Davis over Harden. It’s not even close.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:42 am to
People really forget how good Clyde was. No way should he be lower than Pierce, Allen, and Reggie Miller.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:43 am to
It is perennial all star v perennial MVP candidate.

Different tier of player.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:46 am to
That doesn’t change the facts of my previous post....
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:49 am to
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People really forget how good Clyde was.


Well he was on the Dream Team so should be rated as such. I mean he was considered one of the greats in 1992.

One thing that was always funny about him was that he was famous for going coast to coast but the dude couldn't dribble with his head up...he'd watch that ball bounce all the way to the basket.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:51 am to
Earl the Pearl “Jesus” was AWESOME, MAN
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:56 am to
None would take Davis.

With Davis as you guy you make the playoffs every 4-5 years.

With harden you always advancing deep into the playoffs and always have An all time elite offense.

No one takes Davis.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:57 am to
Speaking of Clyde and the Dream Team.

Ive always felt that Dominique Wilkins was a guy that doesnt get as much respect as he should. Elite scorer, and should have been on the Dream Team if not for injury.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:22 pm to
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Well he was on the Dream Team so should be rated as such. I mean he was considered one of the greats in 1992.


Clyde is an interesting career. He spent years being the second best SG in the league.

Some people whispered he might be up there with MJ until the 92 Finals happened and it was clear he wasn't.

He dribbled with his head down, had virtually no left hand and had that heel kick on his J. He was a really unique player. Rating him vs guys like T-Mac and Nique is interesting.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:30 pm to
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:01 pm to
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There is absolutely 0 chance, if AD retired tomorrow, that he would all of a sudden be forgotten.


Of course he would not be forgotten completely. I meant forgotten as a top player of all time. He would become as you said, a grant hill. A player that got hurt. He has not done enough to be a top 50 player of all time.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:39 am to
Scottie Pippen is mighty high. Higher than Isaih Thomas and Chuck. Did Jordan write this list?
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:50 am to
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Scottie Pippen is mighty high. Higher than Isaih Thomas and Chuck. Did Jordan write this list?


I probably wouldn't have him over Robinson and close to Barkley. Pippen's greatest resume points are always he was the best perimeter defender ever and has 6 rings. They're good resume points to have.

It looks like Kobe is top ten, and I don't agree with that. I think Havlicek is way too high.

Iverson and Nash being ahead of Kidd...I'm not a fan of that.

There's a lot of recency bias in the 20's. If we're counting what we expect players would do, Giannis and Kawhi are reasonable. Based on to date accomplishments, no.
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:28 am to
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It looks like Kobe is top ten, and I don't agree with that

You are gonna be alone on that hill
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59695 posts
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:30 am to
embarrasingly high.

Must be the bump from the documentary.

Also harden has far surpassed Nash. No reason for Nash to be ahead of James.
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:50 am to
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23. Charles Barkley



Can't believe someone that is not allowed to sit at Draymond's table and talk basketball is ranked that high
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 10:51 am
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10420 posts
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:51 am to
quote:

It looks like Kobe is top ten, and I don't agree with that

You are gonna be alone on that hill


There waa a full thread on it the other week and I wasn't the only one who had him 10-15 range.

When you compare his stats to my top ten, he doesn't win. Any top 15 guy will have very good stats, but Kobe's don't match Hakeem's, to give one example from this list who I had over Kobe.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:55 am to
durant a lot better than Pippen and Barkley. did a millennial woman make that list?

nobody smarter than Forrest Gump would take Durant over Pippen or barkley in a game that matters.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:56 am to
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14. Kevin Durant

13. Steph Curry

How is this not getting more attention?

Steph ahead of Durant?
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