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re: ESPN Top 74 NBA players of all time- Updated
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:26 am to LSUintheNW
Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:26 am to LSUintheNW
Man I love Sheed, but his inconsistency docks him, & frankly he was less fit than his counterparts.
He was also as skilled as any of them.
It would have been interesting if Washington could have kept Webber and Wallace together and trade Howard for a wing like Latrell Spreewell at the time of The Choke(no not the ‘11 Finals) or even Jalen Rose.
Of course the issue of who plays center would always be an issue, but today’s game? Shiiiiiittttttt Those Bullets would be killer.
I do feel like this list was made in a real hurry to tell people Dame is underrated.
He was also as skilled as any of them.
It would have been interesting if Washington could have kept Webber and Wallace together and trade Howard for a wing like Latrell Spreewell at the time of The Choke(no not the ‘11 Finals) or even Jalen Rose.
Of course the issue of who plays center would always be an issue, but today’s game? Shiiiiiittttttt Those Bullets would be killer.
I do feel like this list was made in a real hurry to tell people Dame is underrated.
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 12:33 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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but his inconsistency docks him, & frankly he was less fit than his counterparts.
He was also as skilled as any of them.
He definitely had his issues.
I also think if that Blazers team doesn't choke against the Lakers he would be more remembered.
He could certainly handle his own. I always hoped he'd find his way a bit better.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 1:31 am to whatiknowsofar
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Prime Larry Bird was a magical shot making monster that would tell motherfrickers he was going to drop 40 on them and then do so, and was one of the best trash talkers of all time.
Bird didn't care about scoring. He cared about winning.
As McHale would say, Larry could have 24 points, 12 rebounds and 13 assists and be the best player on the court BY FAR...and you say, the guy only shot the ball 15 times? But he controlled the game.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 4:02 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Larry Bird would average 35/10/10 with 50/40/90 splits.
You’re not an MVP, COY, Executive of the Year without unmatched basketball IQ.
You’re not an MVP, COY, Executive of the Year without unmatched basketball IQ.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 4:11 pm to LSUintheNW
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No Rasheed Wallace....no care.
I like Rasheed's game, but he never averaged 20 PPG and never averaged even 9 RPG.
He was very consistent for a long period of time, but it's hard to say a guy is up there with a peak season of 19 and 8 and never making an all NBA team.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 5:11 pm to Rep520
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I like Rasheed's game, but he never averaged 20 PPG and never averaged even 9 RPG.
I actually believe Sheed would average better numbers today.
That being said, he played on some really good teams with very good if not great bigs next to him. He’s an interesting thought exercise. I’m sure The Ringer’s Time Machine All Starsseries they’ve been writing will include him soon.
*also a good series for the posters who think these older guys couldn’t hang.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:37 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Bird didn't care about scoring. He cared about winning.
As McHale would say, Larry could have 24 points, 12 rebounds and 13 assists and be the best player on the court BY FAR...and you say, the guy only shot the ball 15 times? But he controlled the game.
This is from an abstract perspective but Bird was in many ways MJ before MJ sans the speed, natural athleticism, and artistry when he dunked. For almost a decade, dude was literally unstoppable at both ends of the court, can't touch it.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:47 pm to QJenk
How is Olujuwan so far behind Shaq? #sweep
Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:49 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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How is Olujuwan so far behind Shaq? #sweep
Yeah Hakeem's definitely a better pure center than Shaq, Shaq just had a lot of power and that's great Hakeem just the total package at all aspects of the game
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:00 pm to ThePTExperience1969
I much prefer dream as a player to Shaq. But he had a shorter and less dominating peak than shaq. To me I always like to look at that 5+ year peak first and foremost. Dream really didn’t have that. As much as it pains me to say it I gotta use the same criteria for all players whether I like them or not.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:51 pm to QJenk
I must concur with Michael Jordan at #1.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 10:53 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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How is Olujuwan so far behind Shaq? #sweep
Yes. Because that was Shaq’s prime...
Posted on 5/15/20 at 11:38 am to Dawgsontop34
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Yes. Because that was Shaq’s prime...
On this topic, does pre-prime matter more than post prime?
Shaq was an All NBA level player at this time and that Magic team was loaded with talent.
Posted on 5/15/20 at 12:02 pm to Boomshockalocka
I have to agree with you here. As much as that pains me to do.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 1:20 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Posted on 5/20/20 at 1:25 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Those are all good choices. I'm not completely sold on Mason for his lack of a J, but that's it.
I'm surprised Webber wasn't on that list. I think he'd be fantastic as a small ball big. He could shoot, handle and pass.
I'm surprised Webber wasn't on that list. I think he'd be fantastic as a small ball big. He could shoot, handle and pass.
Posted on 5/20/20 at 11:51 pm to Rep520
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Those are all good choices. I'm not completely sold on Mason for his lack of a J, but that's it.
Today’s environment? He could be Draymond-esque. I actually edited him off my initial list.
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I'm surprised Webber wasn't on that list. I think he'd be fantastic as a small ball big. He could shoot, handle and pass.
Same. Webber would fire away from downtown.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 2:34 am to QJenk
I will never understand people that argue James over Duncan. Duncan had a better career. One team, more rings, never missed the playoffs, elevated a small market team and never bailed. Duncan beat James straight up two times and really should have won the third. As far as frachise players go, Duncan's career is pretty much perfect..
Posted on 5/21/20 at 12:06 pm to brmark70816
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Duncan beat James straight up two times and really should have won the third. As far as frachise players go, Duncan's career is pretty much perfect..
I’ve got Duncan 5th on my list, ahead of LeBron James.
That being said he almost won the second match up of the three and given the spurs history of not being able to repeat I don’t think they would’ve gone back to back. It is an interesting question to think what if Tim Duncan had also gone six and oh in the finals how different some people will look at his career That being said he almost won the second match up of the three and given the spurs history of not being able to repeat I don’t think they would’ve gone back to back. It is an interesting question to think what if Tim Duncan had also gone 6-0 in the finals. And he would have won Finals MVP(which would have made four).
And that missed bunny by Duncan in Game 6 could’ve been the difference.
Incredible.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:42 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Bump for The Ringers Time Machine All Star centers list
Though I believe Ewing should be on the list, the arguement in this article that some of these playmaking centers would be allowed much freedom with the ball as they would develop in today’s system.
Wilt Chamberlain averaged 45 minutes a game, at a faster pace than today. In an era of load management, he *might*be even scarier on a per minute basis.
Though I believe Ewing should be on the list, the arguement in this article that some of these playmaking centers would be allowed much freedom with the ball as they would develop in today’s system.
Wilt Chamberlain averaged 45 minutes a game, at a faster pace than today. In an era of load management, he *might*be even scarier on a per minute basis.
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