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re: ESPN piece on how Luka trade went down
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:52 pm to Broski
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:52 pm to Broski
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why getting back only one is 1st is the trade he wanted to make is another discussion entirely.
This might be the stupidest part of the whole thing. If you know that you want a Luka for AD swap (which I think is stupid to begin with), how do you not get both of their available 1sts and a pick swap? Were the Lakers really going to say, “well we really want Luka, but not if it’s gonna cost us the 31 first”?
They could’ve also structured it in a way to get Reeves as well, the value they got in this trade is piss poor.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:51 pm to SammyTiger
I don’t see that at all. Dallas is a bigger market than Las Vegas and a great sports town. Plus, the NBA is probably going to award that franchise to an ownership group that includes LeBron James and they are going to pay a chunk of change for it.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:57 pm to Epic Cajun
Read today that an additional first and Knecht were originally in the deal but Pelinka whittled him down by talking up how big of a risk he’s taking given Luka’s conditioning and injury history
Then it resurfaced that Nico once gave a presentation while at Nike to Steph Curry that was made for Durant and he kept calling him Seth the whole time
Then it resurfaced that Nico once gave a presentation while at Nike to Steph Curry that was made for Durant and he kept calling him Seth the whole time
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:33 pm to InkStainedWretch
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he wanted to make the trade he wanted to make
And I believe it was to engage in "malicious compliance" with ownership's directive to dump Luka because they weren't going to pay him a supermax contract.
Nico knows what he was told by ownership. He's simply not telling anything until he gets fired for doing what he was told. THEN we'll hear the whole story.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:40 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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No way Nico Harris has this much authority (GM or not). No way is he allowed to do something like this unless it’s signed-off (or he’s instructed) by higher-ups. This was an ownership/group decision, Nico is the fall guy
I totally agree.
I doubt he would have made the deal otherwise. Or, he would have gotten more back in the deal.
As I've said, "malicious compliance" with their directive: do what you're told, but do it to bring back as little as possible that you can sell to those doing the directing.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:42 pm to engvol
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The one theory I have seen is it's a ploy to make a move to LV more palatable.
Alienate and piss of the whole fanbase so they won't fight as much when you move them
Unless the NBA already has a group lined up - about whom we don't know anything - for a replacement Dallas franchise, the NBA isn't going to allow a franchise in a top five media market (top 10 at least) to up and leave.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 8:45 pm to timbo
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Dallas is a bigger market than Las Vegas and a great sports town.
No way the NBA lets a franchise in a top 10 (if not top 5) media market leave. The more eyeballs, the higher the ratings. Ratings raise revenue.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:12 pm to SammyTiger
quote:highly doubtful
moving to LV from Dallas?
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:17 pm to timbo
thenposter I was replying to said
which makes no fricking sense.
Dallas is one of the biggest cities and metro areas in the country
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The one theory I have seen is it's a ploy to make a move to LV more palatable.
which makes no fricking sense.
Dallas is one of the biggest cities and metro areas in the country
Posted on 2/3/25 at 9:31 pm to boosiebadazz
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Read today that an additional first and Knecht were originally in the deal but Pelinka whittled him down by talking up how big of a risk he’s taking given Luka’s conditioning and injury history
Nico appears to be Vivek 2.0, what a fricking idiot
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:07 pm to InkStainedWretch
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Harrison didn’t shop Luka around to all comers because he wanted to make the trade he wanted to make, he wanted to take all potential leverage away from Luka and his agent and he didn’t want the fans to get wind of it and jump on his arse until the deed was done.
I believe all of that.
It's retarded. But, I believe it.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:25 pm to InkStainedWretch
For those who didn’t want to give ESPN the click and think the Adelsons are in on some conspiracy:
In the nearly four years since former Mavericks owner Mark Cuban lured him away from Nike to come run the team, Harrison has studied Doncic closely.
While he admired Doncic's talent, spirit and competitiveness, team sources said, Harrison had more doubts about Doncic than others in the organization -- such as Cuban or Nowitzki -- did.
Doncic had everything one could want in a generational superstar. He'd been a first-team All-NBA selection in each of the past five seasons. His career 28.7 points average is third in NBA history, behind only Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. Last season he led the NBA in scoring with 33.9 points and nearly averaged a triple-double. But he wasn't a relentless worker like Bryant. He didn't treat his body like a temple like James.
The Mavericks' frustrations with Doncic's habits on and off the court were well known in league circles. Head coach Jason Kidd frequently expressed concerns publicly and directly with Doncic about his conditioning, weight fluctuations and constant arguing with officials.
Doncic had mostly taken the criticism without complaint, but it never resulted in a significant change in his habits.
"I mean, who gains weight during the season when you're playing 40 minutes a game?" a team source vented to ESPN last year.
In the nearly four years since former Mavericks owner Mark Cuban lured him away from Nike to come run the team, Harrison has studied Doncic closely.
While he admired Doncic's talent, spirit and competitiveness, team sources said, Harrison had more doubts about Doncic than others in the organization -- such as Cuban or Nowitzki -- did.
Doncic had everything one could want in a generational superstar. He'd been a first-team All-NBA selection in each of the past five seasons. His career 28.7 points average is third in NBA history, behind only Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. Last season he led the NBA in scoring with 33.9 points and nearly averaged a triple-double. But he wasn't a relentless worker like Bryant. He didn't treat his body like a temple like James.
The Mavericks' frustrations with Doncic's habits on and off the court were well known in league circles. Head coach Jason Kidd frequently expressed concerns publicly and directly with Doncic about his conditioning, weight fluctuations and constant arguing with officials.
Doncic had mostly taken the criticism without complaint, but it never resulted in a significant change in his habits.
"I mean, who gains weight during the season when you're playing 40 minutes a game?" a team source vented to ESPN last year.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:27 pm to InkStainedWretch
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because he wanted to make the trade he wanted to make
Well if that's the trade he wanted to make, he's even dumber than I thought.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 10:44 pm to SammyTiger
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which makes no fricking sense. Dallas is one of the biggest cities and metro areas in the country
The only way it makes sense is if they want to couple their team with a casino. As in put a casino into the arena. They’ll never be able to do that in Dallas.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:25 pm to InkStainedWretch
Corporate media isn't going to tell you the truth, so their "breakdown" is as lame as the reason Harrison gave....and even in the Press Conference, they looked sheepish and liars saying "defense wins Championships" because its the only tag they could lay on Luka to defend this.
Its all folderol and poppycock.
Ownership of the Mavs have higher goals, NBA has bigger goals.... Its why the trade was Collusion and not vetoed by that dildo running/ruining the NBA
Sports fans are living in unfriendly times across the board....NBA (garbage product) CFB (unrecognizable product) and certainly the Un-Reality TV Show known as the NFL..
Its all folderol and poppycock.
Ownership of the Mavs have higher goals, NBA has bigger goals.... Its why the trade was Collusion and not vetoed by that dildo running/ruining the NBA
Sports fans are living in unfriendly times across the board....NBA (garbage product) CFB (unrecognizable product) and certainly the Un-Reality TV Show known as the NFL..
Posted on 2/3/25 at 11:52 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Sports fans are living in unfriendly times across the board....NBA (garbage product) CFB (unrecognizable product) and certainly the Un-Reality TV Show known as the NFL..
It is certainly curious that the whole sports world seems out of whack just a few years into legalized gambling but maybe that’s just me being paranoid and ethical. Not sure
Posted on 2/4/25 at 1:12 am to ShoeBang
There was no basketball reason ( nor financially, they have the money) to trade Luka for Anthony Davis???
The sports world is a mess. I used to gamble on Sports. Wouldn't touch that sphere even if I had Dave Portnoy's money today (who apparently lost $1 million on the Buffalo Bills).... Why would any smart dude put money against the Taylor-Swift, Big Pharma spokesperson NFL Chiefs?
You know the old joke and reality was Boxing was rigged, specifically Mob -rigged. But all the other sports were pure! Taking phony stances against gambling....sure,,NFL....we didn't believe you then and basketball has a glorious history of point-shaving going back to the 1940s.....Baseball, ahem Blacksox scandal going back further.
Not no more, if it ever was.
The sports world is a mess. I used to gamble on Sports. Wouldn't touch that sphere even if I had Dave Portnoy's money today (who apparently lost $1 million on the Buffalo Bills).... Why would any smart dude put money against the Taylor-Swift, Big Pharma spokesperson NFL Chiefs?
You know the old joke and reality was Boxing was rigged, specifically Mob -rigged. But all the other sports were pure! Taking phony stances against gambling....sure,,NFL....we didn't believe you then and basketball has a glorious history of point-shaving going back to the 1940s.....Baseball, ahem Blacksox scandal going back further.
Not no more, if it ever was.
This post was edited on 2/4/25 at 1:17 am
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:01 am to Epic Cajun
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Read today that an additional first and Knecht were originally in the deal but Pelinka whittled him down by talking up how big of a risk he’s taking given Luka’s conditioning and injury history
The more that I read things like this, the more questions I have for Nico. From everything I have read, the Lakers was the only team he reached out to. While you may think Davis is a wonderful player and you may ultimately end up making a deal that bring Davis to your team, how on earth can you truly justify only calling 1 team! Of course if I'm Pelinka and I know you have only called me, I will try and downplay how amazing of a deal this is, which again goes back to calling multiple teams so that Pelinka has to offer more than he ended up offering.
For those saying that the ownership group ultimately wants to move to Vegas: even if that is the case, this deal still doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't it make more sense to just trade him for about 6 future picks? Then you have a bad team that no one will want to watch, but you have the hope of building a great team in the future with your draft picks. This is what the Celtics did when they traded Pierce and Garnett to the Nets.
Wrapping all of this up, there is no plausible scenario where dealing a top-5 player gets you what the Mavs received in this trade. The GM has either grossly overrated Davis or he is just incompetent. If the Lakers GM gives you pushback, hang the phone up and call the Spurs, Warriors, Celtics, Bucks, etc and I guarantee you, the Lakers would have given more! If not, someone else would have given more and you may have received a better player than Davis in return!
Posted on 2/4/25 at 9:08 am to CalLSU
I think the rumors that make the most sense is that this was personal for Nico. Stories are out that he fired or ran off anyone (trainers, staff, coaches) that Luka liked in hopes that Luka would seek a trade, but unfortunately for Nico, Luka remained loyal to the Mavericks. This forced Nico to make the trade, why he was willing to take a lot less than market, and why Luka was treated so terribly on the way out.
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