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re: ESPN has a LONG story on Penn state player in 70s
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:19 pm to PP7 for heisman
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:19 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Eh, Joe pa got a call from the cops asking where the guy was, told them to give him the weekend, and then the guy had am alibi for 3 separate rapes. Joe Pa tried to talk to the players into helping him with said alibis, but one player didn't commit to helping.
Where the hell did you read that?
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:28 pm to LSUMJ
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ESPN has a LONG story on Penn state player in 70s
I don't understand sports media's obsession with taking down Penn State, Paterno deserves his good name back, someone as evil as Sandusky could've happened to anybody and he fooled an entire country for decades
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:29 pm to KillTheGophers
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How Penn State athletics is still an ongoing thing just blows my mind. The entire Penn State athletics department needs to be shut down for a decade then reopen with entirely new leadership.
Yeahhhh I don't think the university wants to sacrifice its cash cow that easily
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:31 pm to lsupride87
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Legal system sucked. But I fail to see the “evils of Paterno” in that article
He kicked the dude off the team, and even told other players if they testify for the rapist they will be kicked off the team
The "evils of Paterno" is all a myth, they couldn't nail him to the skins on Sandusky because the evidence against him is so small and questionable now they're going after him with this nonsense, same like they do Trump
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:33 pm to TheTexasTiger7
I read the article and I have a hard time finding fault with anything joe pa did. What exactly did he do that was wrong? He told the police he would find the kid and to call back which they didn’t do because he had turned himself in by then.
Then you have the writer trying to get the lady Karen to remember stuff that she couldn’t remember as she was being suggestively interviewed
Then you have the writer trying to get the lady Karen to remember stuff that she couldn’t remember as she was being suggestively interviewed
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:37 pm to lsupride87
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It was unified disgust with very very very few posters that argued otherwise
It's quite insane how Paterno's name got smeared when that broke and then he died after he got fired. Not to mention the Freeh Report the board of trustees bankrolled did everything they could to throw the AD, Paterno, and President under the bus and limit their own liability because that's how biased reports are written. The only thing we know Paterno knew of anything relating to Sandusky was what McQueary told him and McQueary had questionable credibility at the time and actually the charge was dismissed in criminal court. Sandusky fooled the entire world for decades, it's actually quite astounding, I mean he fooled social services to letting him adopt children.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:39 pm to Bawwitdabaw
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across the point "why didn't he do more" which is fair.
Which isn't a crime, same criticism with the Sandusky thing, the fact we expect this out of college football coaches is absurd. When Sandusky was reported to police, they established a clear line of communication with the AD and President and JoePa wasn't included in that, it's all just retarded to smear a great guy's name.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:47 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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The "evils of Paterno" is all a myth
A guy that worked directly for him was raping boys for decades he’s either the most willful ignorant person of all time or the biggest moron that ever lived, either way he is culpable and should have faced charges if he lived. His name deserves to be tarnished frankly I think they should have stuck to stripping him from the record books
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:53 pm to H-Town Tiger
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A guy that worked directly for him was raping boys for decades he’s either the most willful ignorant person of all time or the biggest moron that ever lived, either way he is culpable and should have faced charges if he lived. His name deserves to be tarnished frankly I think they should have stuck to stripping him from the record books
Sandusky fooled everybody, he fooled the police, he fooled the people he worked with at Second Mile, he fooled social services which allowed him to adopt children, hell, he even fooled his own wife who to this day believes he's innocent. Child molesters are, by definition, master manipulators. Chances are extremely great he fooled Paterno as well. So unless any of y'all have a treasure trove of undisclosed evidence that proves by a preponderance of the evidence that JoePa and Penn State conspired to harbor a child molester beyond what we presently know to be public, you might as well tell the board.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 5:59 pm to H-Town Tiger
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A guy that worked directly for him was raping boys for decades he’s either the most willful ignorant person of all time or the biggest moron that ever lived, either way he is culpable and should have faced charges if he lived. His name deserves to be tarnished frankly I think they should have stuck to stripping him from the record books
IDK what y'all wanted him to do
-when he was first reported to the police in 1998, they investigated and found no wrongdoing and only spoke with the President and AD not Paterno
-when McQueary (not the most credible person on Earth as the criminal case proved) reported the 2001 incident to Paterno, he really made his only (and big) mistake here and that was report the incident 36 hours after he received the accusation. I reiterate McQueary's not the most credible witness in the world and he was being asked to believe his longtime assistant did such a thing when it was the first he ever heard of it, that case ended up being dismissed in criminal court btw.
-When the case came up in 2011, Paterno testified to the grand jury and cooperated. There's definitely some real anti-Paterno bias going on here and it's creepy.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:14 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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IDK what y'all wanted him to do
How about not let Sandusky continue to use facilities at Penn St for starters. Sandusky was long rumored to be Paterno’s successor then in 99 Paterno tells he won be, why? Because his resume as DC for 23 years wasn’t good enough? Then Sandusky resigns at 55 and never gets another job though he interviewed for UVA but didn’t get it. That the police didn’t find anything isnt the mic drop you think. They have higher standards of proof. Again Paterno is either a clueless moron or willful ignorant to not know something in appropriate at best was going on but the fact that he told Sandusky he wouldn’t follow Paterno at Penn St then doesn’t help him get another job tells me he has some concerns and it’s not football related
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There's definitely some real anti-Paterno bias going on here and it's creepy.
What’s creepy is you contorting yourself to defend him.
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:17 pm to lsupride87
It looks like just before the rapes happened Hodne had entered Paterno 's doghouse. He was suspended from the team due to a previous run-in with the law.
The story reads like Paterno had decided to was his hands of the guy after he learns the breadth of the charges. Telling one guy straight up that Hodne is guilty and that if he shows any support for the guy he'll be kicked off the team, and then follows through with his promise.
Paterno, It looks like , was allowing the judicial system to work without interference on his end.
The story reads like Paterno had decided to was his hands of the guy after he learns the breadth of the charges. Telling one guy straight up that Hodne is guilty and that if he shows any support for the guy he'll be kicked off the team, and then follows through with his promise.
Paterno, It looks like , was allowing the judicial system to work without interference on his end.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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How about not let Sandusky continue to use facilities at Penn St for starters.
They couldn't bar him from the premises without risking a lawsuit because he had emeritus status though they did change the locks so he couldn't enter whenever he wanted. Plus he hadn't been found guilty of anything by that point so IDK what they were supposed to do at that point.
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Sandusky was long rumored to be Paterno’s successor then in 99 Paterno tells he won be, why?
Paterno ended up coaching 14 more years, highly unlikely Sandusky would've remained that long with no HC job since Paterno wasn't going anywhere.
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That the police didn’t find anything isnt the mic drop you think. They have higher standards of proof.
A grand jury can indict a ham sandwich in our system, they didn't even bring charges which ultimately require a much lesser level of proof
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Then Sandusky resigns at 55 and never gets another job though he interviewed for UVA but didn’t get it.
Not sure what that has to do with Paterno or really anything, he retired in 1999 after flirting with leading Penn State Altoona
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Again Paterno is either a clueless moron or willful ignorant to not know something in appropriate at best was going on
Same could be said for that entire community, I mean Sandusky fooled social services into letting him adopt children as well as his wife who still thinks he's innocent
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but the fact that he told Sandusky he wouldn’t follow Paterno at Penn St then doesn’t help him get another job tells me he has some concerns and it’s not football related
Speculation if we're walking a mile in 2001 Paterno's shoes instead of the benefit of hindsight. Also, he was offered the UVA job but negotiations reached an impasse so they went with Al Groh who's an alum.
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What’s creepy is you contorting yourself to defend him.
I mean the evidence out there against him isn't strong enough to even hold up in civil court
This post was edited on 4/11/22 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:42 pm to LSUMJ
That was a long read but really well written. Crazy ending to the article. Sandusky was a LB coach and DC during the time. I have a hard time believing that he doesn’t recall.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:49 pm to lsupride87
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Legal system sucked. But I fail to see the “evils of Paterno” in that article He kicked the dude off the team, and even told other players if they testify for the rapist they will be kicked off the team
Paterno is a convenient hook for ESPN to drive traffic to this story.
Just like how ESPN decided to scapegoat Paterno for conduct of Sandusky who was running programs for troubled youth placed into Sandusky’s care by Child Protective Services. Instead of asking why the state allowed Sandusky access to the kids, ESPN blames his old boss because he is famous.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 6:50 pm to ThePTExperience1969
There is more to the Paterno story that does not necessarily show up in the Freeh report. The story goes something like this:
After the 1998 season Paterno wanted to rid himself of Sandusky after hearing too much talk around the program of how creepy Sandusky was becoming. There was a joke around that a desert got the nicknam "The Sandusky" which was a bowl of two scoops of ice cream with a cone. He asked around why and he did not like the answer. But his '99 team was going to be good and he was not going to interfere....for sure they start off well and was undefeated going into November and then it fell apart . They lose their final 3 games.
There is more. I know some guys at other Big 10 schools in the AD offices who say that the truth is a bit stranger and Paterno is not necessarily the bad guy in all of it.
After the 1998 season Paterno wanted to rid himself of Sandusky after hearing too much talk around the program of how creepy Sandusky was becoming. There was a joke around that a desert got the nicknam "The Sandusky" which was a bowl of two scoops of ice cream with a cone. He asked around why and he did not like the answer. But his '99 team was going to be good and he was not going to interfere....for sure they start off well and was undefeated going into November and then it fell apart . They lose their final 3 games.
There is more. I know some guys at other Big 10 schools in the AD offices who say that the truth is a bit stranger and Paterno is not necessarily the bad guy in all of it.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:12 pm to hoopsgalore
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B1G East*
Take it easy John Chadima
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:40 pm to KiwiHead
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There is more to the Paterno story that does not necessarily show up in the Freeh report. The story goes something like this: After the 1998 season Paterno wanted to rid himself of Sandusky after hearing too much talk around the program of how creepy Sandusky was becoming. There was a joke around that a desert got the nicknam "The Sandusky" which was a bowl of two scoops of ice cream with a cone. He asked around why and he did not like the answer. But his '99 team was going to be good and he was not going to interfere....for sure they start off well and was undefeated going into November and then it fell apart . They lose their final 3 games. There is more. I know some guys at other Big 10 schools in the AD offices who say that the truth is a bit stranger and Paterno is not necessarily the bad guy in all of it.
The real reason was Sandusky was told he wasn’t going to be successor was he was spending way too much time moonlighting with his charity for troubled youths, the Second Mile. Fran Ganter turned down MSU (who hired Saban instead) in 1995 to stay at PSU and the writing was on the wall for Sandusky. Plus, his defenses basically sucked from 1994-1999.
John Ziegler has an excellent podcast on the scandal with interviews with the PSU President at the time as well as Gary Schultz, one of the other admins arrested.
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
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His name deserves to be tarnished frankly I think they should have stuck to stripping him from the record books
This is stupid. The morality police would go nuts. We’d find reason to scrub damn near every athlete from the ‘60’s and prior for being racist.
JoePa may have been a shitbag, but taking away some wins only unfairly punishes the people who sweat and bled for them, and it does nothing to appease the victims.
Posted on 4/12/22 at 4:05 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Sandusky fooled everybody, he fooled the police, he fooled the people he worked with at Second Mile, he fooled social services which allowed him to adopt children, hell, he even fooled his own wife who to this day believes he's innocent.
He won several awards as an assistant coach over the years but never sniffed a head coaching job. Why do you think that is? There were rumors about Sandusky for a long while.
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