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Edgar Martinez Hall of Fame Induction
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:32 am
Very glad he finally got in in his last try because I believe he truly deserved it but last semester I took a Economics of Sports class and this was a topic that we spent a couple days arguing over. The class was roughly split in half on if he should get in. To me just looking at his stats offensive stats made it a no brainer.
-18 year career with the same team
- Career .312 hitter
-Career .418 OBP
-7 time All Star
-5 time Silver Slugger
-2 Batting titles
The main objection people had was that he was a career DH. Which is probably why it took till his last chance to get in. But my whole thing is what's the difference between a guy who's a DH and just hits and Closer who's essentially the designated pitcher of 9th inning. Both very essential to the game and Martinez did eventually get in the HOF but holding a guy out because he was a DH when he has great numbers seems hypocritical. I get defense is a huge part of the game but if you put of offensive numbers like that as a DH it shouldn't matter. If Martinez had played in the played in the field his whole career, had average defensive stats, and put up the numbers he did offensively there wouldn't be an argument that he should be in and it probably wouldn't have taken this long.
Congrats to Edgar Martinez
-18 year career with the same team
- Career .312 hitter
-Career .418 OBP
-7 time All Star
-5 time Silver Slugger
-2 Batting titles
The main objection people had was that he was a career DH. Which is probably why it took till his last chance to get in. But my whole thing is what's the difference between a guy who's a DH and just hits and Closer who's essentially the designated pitcher of 9th inning. Both very essential to the game and Martinez did eventually get in the HOF but holding a guy out because he was a DH when he has great numbers seems hypocritical. I get defense is a huge part of the game but if you put of offensive numbers like that as a DH it shouldn't matter. If Martinez had played in the played in the field his whole career, had average defensive stats, and put up the numbers he did offensively there wouldn't be an argument that he should be in and it probably wouldn't have taken this long.
Congrats to Edgar Martinez
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Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:39 am to The Ostrich
It's dumbass old crusty sportswriters. DH is a position in baseball. If you are the best at your position you should get in the Hall of Fame, pretty simple in my opinion.
Is David Ortiz not a HOFer? He was essentially a career DH and he's absolutely no doubt a Hall of Famer.
Side note, punters should get in the NFL as should Devin Hester
Is David Ortiz not a HOFer? He was essentially a career DH and he's absolutely no doubt a Hall of Famer.
Side note, punters should get in the NFL as should Devin Hester
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:42 am to The Ostrich
I think most of the naysayers against Edgar were for his lack of counting stats rather than his position. He barely has 300 HRs and only 1200 RBIs. That’s not his fault though because the Mariners handled him retardedly having him repeat AAA twice when he was destroying the league.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:03 am to Bench McElroy
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I think most of the naysayers against Edgar were for his lack of counting stats rather than his position. He barely has 300 HRs and only 1200 RBIs. That’s not his fault though because the Mariners handled him retardedly having him repeat AAA twice when he was destroying the league.
I get that but 300 HRs really isn't anything to knock and I honestly hate that people put so much weight into RBIs because its an opportunity stat. The number of RBIs purely based on how many chances you get with runners on and he hit 302.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:05 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Tell me how you feel about long snappers, punters, and kick returners
It's dumbass old crusty sportswriters. DH is a position in baseball. If you are the best at your position you should get in the Hall of Fame, pretty simple in my opinion.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:09 am to lsupride87
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Tell me how you feel about long snappers, punters, and kick returners
He did...its at the bottom of his post
and I agree with him.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:10 am to The Ostrich
quote:But its just silly. An average QB is worth 10000000000000000000000 times that of the best punter
and I agree with him.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 11:23 am to The Ostrich
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spent a couple days arguing over. The class was roughly split in half on if he should get in.
If you have to ask if a guy is a hall of famer, he's not a hall of famer.
The only reason he got in is because the field has gotten watered down so much by excluding the PED'ers. So the inductees will continue to be guys like Lee smith, Harold baines, and Edgar Martinez just so they can have new people every year. It lost all credibility years ago.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:04 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Lee Smith was voted in by the veterans committee, not the traditional means by the sportswriters.
It’s hard to argue he’s not deserving since Mariano just received 100% of ballot votes. If Mo Rivera is a 100% no-brainer lock to the HOF, then Lee Smith deserves to be in also.
It’s hard to argue he’s not deserving since Mariano just received 100% of ballot votes. If Mo Rivera is a 100% no-brainer lock to the HOF, then Lee Smith deserves to be in also.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:12 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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If you have to ask if a guy is a hall of famer, he's not a hall of famer.
If this was the case everyone would be first ballot
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:14 pm to lsupride87
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But its just silly. An average QB is worth 10000000000000000000000 times that of the best punter
Is the best punter easily replicated by signing another punter like an average QB is by signing a different average QB
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:16 pm to The Ostrich
quote:
300 HRs really isn't anything to knock and I honestly hate that people put so much weight int
Then why isn’t Dave Kingman in the HOF with 442 HR?
He struck out at what is now considered acceptable levels
Wouldn’t 442 and 1210 RBI be HOF worthy in his era?
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:22 pm to Ghost of Colby
Lee Smith deserves in
The guys who aren’t in who I think deserve in
Clemens
Bonds
Joe Jackson
Mattingly
Walker
Guys who shouldn’t be in
Bagwell
Rizzuto
Rice
The guys who aren’t in who I think deserve in
Clemens
Bonds
Joe Jackson
Mattingly
Walker
Guys who shouldn’t be in
Bagwell
Rizzuto
Rice
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:29 pm to sms151t
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Then why isn’t Dave Kingman in the HOF with 442 HR?
He struck out at what is now considered acceptable levels
Wouldn’t 442 and 1210 RBI be HOF worthy in his era?
Kingman hit lifetime 236 and averaged almost a stikeout per game. You can't take a stat and compare it to acceptable levels in today's game then ask if he's worth for his era. Reggie Jackson is the only person that struck out more than he did during Kingman's career(71-86) and he played 270 more games than Kingman did.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/23/19 at 12:40 pm to The Ostrich
I get that but we have rewarded stat compiling players in the past. I’m not advocating for Kingman to be in but I am saying we need to look at more than stats and advanced stats
To me a HOF player is someone who is must see, moves the needle some publicly, has a stat line, won championships, and brought innovation or was successful at what they were asked to do
Players like Mussina Bagwell and Rice are not HOF players, but in that tier right below. That tier right below is not a shameful tier
I also am not sure if Halladay was a HOF. But it’s not my choice and I’m sure his untimely death pushed his total some.
To me a HOF player is someone who is must see, moves the needle some publicly, has a stat line, won championships, and brought innovation or was successful at what they were asked to do
Players like Mussina Bagwell and Rice are not HOF players, but in that tier right below. That tier right below is not a shameful tier
I also am not sure if Halladay was a HOF. But it’s not my choice and I’m sure his untimely death pushed his total some.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:10 pm to sms151t
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I also am not sure if Halladay was a HOF
Guys like Halliday are the ones that are interesting to me. He wasn't a flash in the pan, he was the best pitcher in baseball for a good clip, but he also wasn't a career stat compiler. Is being dominate and the best player at your position for 5 years in your prime HOF worthy?
I think it's a legit arguement with valid points on both sides.
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:33 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Is being dominate and the best player at your position for 5 years in your prime HOF worthy?
He was a top 5 pitcher for a decade, & best pitcher in the league multiple times between then
Mike Mussina for example, was never the best pitcher in the league at all
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:38 pm to sms151t
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I also am not sure if Halladay was a HOF.
You also think don Mattignly should be in the hall so
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:41 pm to Lester Earl
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Mike Mussina for example, was never the best pitcher in the league at all
Can you really blame him? His peak overlapped with Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez
Posted on 1/23/19 at 2:43 pm to sms151t
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Guys who shouldn’t be in Bagwell
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