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re: Durant: Kobe and MJ are the two greatest players of all-time
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:13 am to Weagle25
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:13 am to Weagle25
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Kobe is much more likable than Lebron
Because people remember him chucking up shots left and right and call it leadership. It's fascinating.
No one seems to remember him quitting vs Phoenix after they blew a 3-1 lead.
Kpbe's mythical status is absurd. People just really, really like mid range jump shooters.
If you tell a Kobe fan LeBron is a better 3 point shooter, they'll think it's blasphemous.
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Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:13 am to WB504
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I find more former and current players have Kobe ranked higher than Bron, but media/analysts rank Bron higher.
Honest answer: it’s probably because a lot of these guys see things we don’t like players playing against each other one on one.
Many players, including Durant, witnessed Kobe kicking Lebron’s arse one on one during their little tournament in the summer of the 2008 olympics.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:18 am to LittleRockHog501
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You're either flat out lying or misremembering. Kobe became a full time starter in 98-99. The Lakers won the first of three in a row in 99-00. He didn't tank anything pre that. He just wasn't fully developed as a player yet.
Yeah...no idea what SFP was saying there. Kobe was fully against tanking. That was actually the ONE thing that turned some LA fans against him in the Dantoni years (pre-Achilles). He’d go out there and ball every night and the fans wanted to tank for better draft picks.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:21 am to theunknownknight
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Honest answer: it’s probably because a lot of these guys see things we don’t like players playing against each other one on one.
Many players, including Durant, witnessed Kobe kicking Lebron’s arse one on one during their little tournament in the summer of the 2008 olympics.
Or it's the fact that Kobe is/was the most influential guy in the league on guys like LeBron and Kobe. They've got a ton of respect for him, which is fine, but it affects their ability to be objective.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 10:24 am to Bench McElroy
He's right you know.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:06 am to El Campo Tiger
It seems like in the past year the Kobe stuff came up. While he was playing "all the experts" said he was close, but didn't end up being where Jordan was.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:09 am to Bench McElroy
Kobe(along with Shaq), are my two favorite players of all time. But being truthful, he is a top 15 player. Lebron is a top 2 player, without a doubt.
I, too, once knighted for him like no other. Kobe's greatness is mostly all wrapped in his persona. That Lakers 3-peat featured some of the best championship teams of all time. And he had a major role in that. Then he still went on to win 2 more rings. He is remembered as being clutch because during the last 3 minutes of a close game for the Lakers, there was no doubt at all who would be taking every shot. His ego was on another level, he would shoot his team out of many games simply because for him, there is no such thing as a bad game. Thing is, the fact that he was willing to take so many shots is what led him to winning alot of games for the Lakers as well. Lebron, on the other hand is ok with passing the ball during this time if he sees an open teammate with a better shot Kobe was an absolute a-hole of a teammate. Not to bash Lebron, but if JR was on Kobe's team and he pulled that mess. Kobe would have went over there and cursed him tf out, and would probably have to be pulled off of him. Kobe's leadership style is very authoritative. Lebron has a much more passive-aggressive style and prefers to lead by example. Kobe has a huge mouth and is a big shite talker. Lebron lets his play do the talking for him.
I grew up loving Kobe, that Lakers run is what made me into a basketball fan. I knighted for him like no other, and you couldnt convince me Lebron was a better player. It wasnt until about 2012-2013 when i payed attention and realized Lebron was 100% a greater player than Kobe ever was.
So many people hate the thought of being wrong though, so they would never admit as much.
I, too, once knighted for him like no other. Kobe's greatness is mostly all wrapped in his persona. That Lakers 3-peat featured some of the best championship teams of all time. And he had a major role in that. Then he still went on to win 2 more rings. He is remembered as being clutch because during the last 3 minutes of a close game for the Lakers, there was no doubt at all who would be taking every shot. His ego was on another level, he would shoot his team out of many games simply because for him, there is no such thing as a bad game. Thing is, the fact that he was willing to take so many shots is what led him to winning alot of games for the Lakers as well. Lebron, on the other hand is ok with passing the ball during this time if he sees an open teammate with a better shot Kobe was an absolute a-hole of a teammate. Not to bash Lebron, but if JR was on Kobe's team and he pulled that mess. Kobe would have went over there and cursed him tf out, and would probably have to be pulled off of him. Kobe's leadership style is very authoritative. Lebron has a much more passive-aggressive style and prefers to lead by example. Kobe has a huge mouth and is a big shite talker. Lebron lets his play do the talking for him.
I grew up loving Kobe, that Lakers run is what made me into a basketball fan. I knighted for him like no other, and you couldnt convince me Lebron was a better player. It wasnt until about 2012-2013 when i payed attention and realized Lebron was 100% a greater player than Kobe ever was.
So many people hate the thought of being wrong though, so they would never admit as much.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:11 am to Buckeye06
quote:He laid an egg in the 2011 Finals, other than that, he has “willed” his way to some amazing wins (2007 Pistons in ECF; 2012 Boston in ECF; 2013 Finals; 2016 Finals), and even in losses (2008 Boston), (2009 Magic ECF; 2014, 2017, and 2018 Finals).
However, the "will" to win thing is a real thing. LeBron has it more than people give him credit for, but he has learned it as opposed to it being a part of his DNA. He would lay eggs 7-10 years ago and look like he didn't worry about it.
MJ and Kobe would have been ripping teammates apart for the way they are playing defense and missing wide open shots consistently. LeBron doesn't really do that in public ever.
People seem to be basing “will” solely on some observable personality traits and behaviors, as if an intense look, screaming at teammates is the only way to show “will,” when it’s an internal trait.
I mean Kobe used to do things to make it seem like he had some unique level of will, when Lebron and a bunch of other players do the same thing. For example, he would very publicly have a personal practice session after a tough loss; yet, LeBron has been noted to do the same thing in private, but we only hear about it when someone else (coach, player, media insider) would actually report it.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:13 am to SteveLSU35
quote:Kobe isnt close
While he was playing "all the experts" said he was close
He just isnt
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:16 am to Bench McElroy
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Durant: Kobe and MJ are the two greatest players of all-time
LOLZ Durant would pull that crap, troll LeBron
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It’s a tie between MJ and Kob
Yeahhh I disagree seriously with this, its MJ then Kobe on that hierarchy I seem to recall Kobe's no-show, deferential performance against the Suns Game 7 with the season on the line, defeats Kobe's "will to win" case immediately, MJ never pulled that shite
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
Kobe’s game didn’t age well. He stopped attacking the basket and settled for jump shots which wasn’t helped by the fact that he became a worse shooter in his last few seasons. At his best he was great though but he’s not Lebron or MJ. He’s in the discussion with the other greats though.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:23 am to beaverfever
You can judge them each by their best season and it isn’t remotely close either
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:24 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:People Durant’s age grew up idolizing Kobe.
LOLZ Durant would pull that crap, troll LeBron
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:26 am to lsupride87
Agreed. I just meant that Kobe didn’t help himself by playing after the Achilles injury.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:28 am to Bench McElroy
Kobe isn't even in the top 3 all time Lakers
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:29 am to beaverfever
Kobe would occasionally go into bitch mode and refuse to shoot for long stretches in a game. When he did shoot, he missed more shots than anyone in NBA history.
One could argue that he was a 6'6" AI.
One could argue that he was a 6'6" AI.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:32 am to Dawgsontop34
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Just because an NBA player says it, it doesn't mean it's true.
Kobe's the GOAT bad shot maker. And he basically copied MJ in almost every detail.
NBA players tend to equate how hard something is to do with how good it makes you. But we can all see Kobe's raw statistics and they're not top 5 caliber.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:32 am to theunknownknight
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Honest answer: it’s probably because a lot of these guys see things we don’t like players playing against each other one on one. Many players, including Durant, witnessed Kobe kicking Lebron’s arse one on one during their little tournament in the summer of the 2008 olympics.
#realtalk although there’s no damn way Kobe is #2
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:43 am to QJenk
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He is remembered as being clutch because during the last 3 minutes of a close game for the Lakers, there was no doubt at all who would be taking every shot.
quote:Since play by play data were available (2000-2001) last 5 minutes (since OT is 5 minutes) of a one possession game Kobe was 61 for 165 (37.0 FG% and 38.5 EFG%)in 220 playoff games. By that same metric, LeBron is 90 for 219 (41.1 FG% and 46.1 EFG%) in 238 playoff games.
Lebron, on the other hand is ok with passing the ball during this time if he sees an open teammate with a better shot Kobe was an absolute a-hole of a teammate. Not to bash Lebron, but if JR was on Kobe's team and he pulled that mess.
Albeit not a great shooting percentage, LeBron was considerably more efficient in the "clutch" than Kobe. Furthermore, while we don't know the exact number of opportunities that had to fall within this criteria Kobe had 0.75 FGAs for each playoff game, while LeBron had 0.92 FGAs for each playoff game.
So in "clutch time" LeBron has taken more shots, more shots per game, and had a better shooting percentage. So Lebron may pass more than Kobe in the clutch, but he still shoots more and, more importantly makes more.
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