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re: Durant: Kobe and MJ are the two greatest players of all-time
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:45 am to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:45 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:AI would have been the goat if he was 6’6.
One could argue that he was a 6'6" AI.
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Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:47 am to Hoops
quote:We were all robbed of a Kobe/Lebron finals and it wasn’t because Kobe never showed up.
Many players, including Durant, witnessed Kobe kicking Lebron’s arse one on one
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:49 am to beaverfever
quote:Um, Kobe got swept by the mavs in 2011 which kinda prevented one
We were all robbed of a Kobe/Lebron finals and it wasn’t because Kobe never showed up.
Also, 2008
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:53 am to El Campo Tiger
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He's right you know.
There is no way Kobe is top 2 all time. There are a couple of players you can put there, but Kobe ain’t one of them.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 11:58 am to theunknownknight
quote:Even if this is true, what does a player in his prime beating a player yet to reach his prime in a meaningless one in one game have to do with their historical rankings 5 on 5 team sport with thousands of meaningful games?
Many players, including Durant, witnessed Kobe kicking Lebron’s arse one on one during their little tournament in the summer of the 2008 olympics.
Either you're just terrible at supporting an argument or you no longer have the relevant evidence to support your argument so you have to resort to desperation.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:04 pm to lsupride87
If you look at stats alone, Russell Westbrook is the greatest player of all time.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:06 pm to El Campo Tiger
If you are Russell Westbrook, Russell Westbrook is the greatest player of all time.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:07 pm to CorporateTiger
quote:Even if you just look at players who played a significant portion of their careers on the Lakers (i.e., player like Malone don't count), Kobe isn't even in the top 3 (Kareem, Magic, Shaq), and there is a case to make for a number of other players ahead of him (Wilt, West, etc.).
There is no way Kobe is top 2 all time. There are a couple of players you can put there, but Kobe ain’t one of them.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:08 pm to buckeye_vol
I think the real point is that Kobe has always been a ‘players’ player’. There are a lot of Kobe stans out there. You can show them stats that show he wasn’t on lebron’s level and they’ll say “I saw what I saw”. I think most of that stems from Kobe’s jordan-esque mentality and a lack of respect for Lebron because he is viewed as being beta.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:09 pm to El Campo Tiger
quote:Not even close. Plenty of players have far better stats than Westbrook both in the regular season and the playoffs.
If you look at stats alone, Russell Westbrook is the greatest player of all time.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:12 pm to beaverfever
quote:Yes. Not only did he mold his game off of Jordan, he molded his entire public persona off of him. Basically he gets credit for attempting to be like Mike.
I think most of that stems from Kobe’s jordan-esque mentality
quote:Which is funny, because in the court he's much more of an alpha than Kobe; he just doesn't roar as loud.
and a lack of respect for Lebron because he is viewed as being beta.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:13 pm to beaverfever
He was also the highest profile player in the league by a significant margin at a certain point in time, which distorts the image he has with some people.
Now the time when Kobe was so famous was one of the lowest points for NBA talent in recent memory, but people conveniently want to forget that.
If you are the face of the NBA for a period of time, you are going to gather a lot of fans.
Now the time when Kobe was so famous was one of the lowest points for NBA talent in recent memory, but people conveniently want to forget that.
If you are the face of the NBA for a period of time, you are going to gather a lot of fans.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:14 pm to Weagle25
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Kobe is much more likable than Lebron
You tend to fight for people you like
Is Kobe really that likeable?
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 12:16 pm to Rep520
If you are into rape then sure he is likeable.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:47 pm to Weagle25
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Kobe is much more likable than Lebron
fricking hell. This board has LDS in the worst way
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:49 pm to Sun God
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That's for all the fools that say LeBron doesn't have the fluidly-defined "killer instinct" of Kobe.
My killer instinct comment was a joke
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:52 pm to El Campo Tiger
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If you look at stats alone, Russell Westbrook is the greatest player of all time.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:54 pm to theunknownknight
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Kobe kicking Lebron’s arse one on one
One on one plays to Kobe's advantage because passing the ball is impossible.
I'm half joking, but Kobe never averaged more than 6 apg and LeBron never averaged less than 6 apg.
I think LeBron is decidedly better as an actual player and wouldn't be shocked if Kobe beat LeBron 1 on 1 in 2008. That's the sort of pure scoring test prime Kobe excelled in. Heck, half of Kobe's NBA games were basically 1 on 1. He had a 38.7 usage % in 2005-06, which is hilarious.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:55 pm to lsupride87
kobe won 5 rings, and was only the best player on those teams twice.
kobe played 20years in the nba.. and was only the best player once during that time.
kobe played 20years in the nba.. and was only the best player once during that time.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 1:56 pm to lsupride87
The dude averages a triple-double two years in a row. Statistically, that's never been done before.
Therefore, just looking at stats alone and not actually watching the game and making a decision on your own, saying, "Okay, player x is better than player y, even though player y has better stats..."
RW > The Field
Therefore, just looking at stats alone and not actually watching the game and making a decision on your own, saying, "Okay, player x is better than player y, even though player y has better stats..."
RW > The Field
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