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re: Do the Braves have the best farm in the league?
Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:51 pm to TrussvilleTide
Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:51 pm to TrussvilleTide
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The Astros winning around 55 games for 3 or 4 years then going on an incredible run a few years after was just a coincidence
I thought we were cheaters.
This thread is pointless. You can’t say who has the best farm system now. You can ask who has the best farm system 2-5 years ago
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Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:52 pm to TrussvilleTide
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The Astros winning around 55 games for 3 or 4 years then going on an incredible run a few years after was just a coincidence
We will forever be the GOAT tankers
Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:52 pm to GoldenGuy
quote:and fascinating. The fact that there seems to be a legit number of braves fans who will argue that theyve never tanked is interesting
This thread is pointless
Posted on 8/17/22 at 12:55 pm to WestCoastAg
To be fair the media never mentions them alongside us or the Cubs for some reason. I don’t know why.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:01 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Likely because the Braves never had a truly disastrous season. Only 2 seasons of real ranking and didn’t lose more than 95 games in either season. Those 2 seasons were bookended by 72 win teams that were flawed but attempting to compete.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:11 pm to volfan30
Yeah I would have to look back at the rosters but I don’t the Braves ever experienced the complete gap in organizational talent that the Astros did (which was of course what necessitated what the Astros did in the first place). It wasn’t like the Astros were holding back promising young players from getting at bats in 2011-13 because those players did not exist in the upper levels of the Astros system at the time. Atlanta had Freddie and Simmons during that time as well off the top of my head who were obviously quite good
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:34 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Braves had a 72 win season coming off two straight playoff appearances with Freeman, Heyward, Upton, Gattis, Kimbrel, Teheran, Simmons, Gosselin, Wood and Minor on the roster and under control going forward.
A lot of teams likely would have added to that nucleus and tried to make the playoffs the next year but the Braves instead tore it all down and kick started the rebuild. They traded Heyward for Shelby Miller (who became Swanson and Inciarte) and Justin Upton for Max Fried in the very first month of the rebuild then traded Kimbrel for Matt Wisler and the pick that became Austin Riley. All of that before the very short “tank” even began.
A lot of teams likely would have added to that nucleus and tried to make the playoffs the next year but the Braves instead tore it all down and kick started the rebuild. They traded Heyward for Shelby Miller (who became Swanson and Inciarte) and Justin Upton for Max Fried in the very first month of the rebuild then traded Kimbrel for Matt Wisler and the pick that became Austin Riley. All of that before the very short “tank” even began.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 1:36 pm to volfan30
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Shelby Miller (who became Swanson and Inciarte) and Justin Upton for Max Fried
In hindsight, wow. Those two trades kicked everything off and the Braves pulled highway robbery on both of them.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:27 pm to VADawg
Coppy should of been arrested for armed robbery for the Miller/Swanson deal. Just flat robbed the DBacks clean.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:42 pm to WestCoastAg
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and fascinating. The fact that there seems to be a legit number of braves fans who will argue that theyve never tanked is interesting
Yep. The Braves tanked...it's a fact. Their primary 2015 lineup consisted of Jonny Gomes, Adonis Garcia, Cameron Maybin, Jace Peterson, and a 38 year old AJ Pierzynski.
They brought in Markakis to serve as a veteran influence as they started bringing up younger players, but the only thing keeping the Braves from completely bottoming out was that they held on to Freeman. Which ultimately proved to be the smart thing to do as it enabled them to have a consistent force in the lineup as they built back up into contenders.
Having Markakis and Freddie likely shortened the tank considerably, but it was still a tank.
This post was edited on 8/17/22 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:51 pm to VinegarStrokes
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Having Markakis and Freddie likely shortened the tank considerably, but it was still a tank.
People think you have to completely bottom out to tank when you don't. There are a lot of spots to fill, one or two good players doesn't mean anything.
One misstep I think was not getting something from Teheran when he was still pretty valuable. I heard rumors that we could have gotten Devers from Boston at one point, but I have no idea how accurate that is. Also heard Severino and someone else from the Yanks, which would have also been a steal for Atlanta if not for Sevy's injuries.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:57 pm to GoldenGuy
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I thought we were cheaters.
You are but the team was still good. Astros fans under-value the impact the cheating had, and other fans over-value it.
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This thread is pointless. You can’t say who has the best farm system now. You can ask who has the best farm system 2-5 years ago
I mean I don't think the rankings will be exactly the same as they are now currently (in terms of the actual prospect rankings) but they will likely be pretty close.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 2:57 pm to TrussvilleTide
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One misstep I think was not getting something from Teheran when he was still pretty valuable. I heard rumors that we could have gotten Devers from Boston at one point, but I have no idea how accurate that is. Also heard Severino and someone else from the Yanks, which would have also been a steal for Atlanta if not for Sevy's injuries.
I always forget about Teheran.
2 other missteps - packaging BJ with Kimbrel definitely hindered our ability to maximize CK's return.
And the Olivera deal. In the end, I don't think we ended up losing too much for him after seeing how those players turned out, but it certainly ate into our pool of tradeable pieces that could have netted us an actual contributor.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 3:00 pm to VinegarStrokes
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packaging BJ with Kimbrel definitely hindered our ability to maximize CK's return.
Yeah, if we just ate his money his contract would have been up in 2017.
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And the Olivera deal.
Alex Wood has pitched good innings for some good teams, and hes a local guy which still matters to people for whatever reason.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 3:05 pm to TrussvilleTide
Surprised no one posted the 'how they were built' from last years playoffs.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 3:06 pm to WestCoastAg
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and fascinating. The fact that there seems to be a legit number of braves fans who will argue that theyve never tanked is interesting
Oh we tanked, tanked the 2021 Dodgers season
Posted on 8/17/22 at 3:13 pm to UltimateHog
I'm guessing Dansby counts as a trade even though we really "developed" him as much as you develop a guy coming from college.
Posted on 8/17/22 at 6:02 pm to volfan30
quote:which only points to how well run the braves are. Weird how some just take it as some kind of dig
All of that before the very short “tank” even began.
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