re: DAT Offseason Thread: Sorry Not Sorry. Still 2017 Champs.

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I literally love justin verlander

Photos = use of live technology? MLB investigated the Yankees before after the issue with the Red Sox and they fined them for improperly using the dugout phone asking if certain pitched were balls and strikes.
Also, it is not illegal to have photos of previous at bats to see pitch location as every MLB actually does use that, since it is part of scouting.

I'm not naive to say teams aren't cheating, however, I doubt teams were cheating in the same way as the Astros. That involved many players, coaches, and help. Your focus on the Yankees has been comical this off-season when they've already been investigated and fined from previous incident and because of that incident along with the Red Sox MLB issued their warning, which wasn't followed. You want there to be a connection between Beltran and the Yankees and he more than likely helped them cheat, that doesn't mean he helped create a system the way the Astros had either and MLB from talking to former players, coaches, etc believe that as well.

I think it’s likely the Astros “system” was more elaborate, but clearly less productive.

I’m not internet savvy enough to post pics or vids, but I’ve seen ones of Yankee players trying to shield pics in their dugout as they passed them around.

When the pics were enlarged, it was closeup of opposing C with fingers down during a Yankee AB, not pitch location. Nothing Earth shattering.

And the Yankees better home splits could be attributable to anything and everything outside of stealing signs.

However, the Astros overwhelmingly better road splits in ‘17, ‘18, and WS ‘19, would indicate to me that their sign stealing “system” was at best irrelevant, and at worst, a hinderance.

His last paragraph acknowledges they were stealing signs though.

He has mentioned H/R splits as justification the Astros never cheated several times since these allegations began. He still uses them as a way the Astros were ineffective or it didn't help when those stats really don't mean a whole lot now since it has been proven they cheated. Hell 2019 Astros were much better at home 17/18 on road, 15/16 about about even.
Now he focuses on Yankees and other teams. Yankees have essentially had better home stats since the new ball park except 2019 and in 2018 they were significantly better at home. MLB investigated the Yankees for the pitchers and said there was nothing illegal about them, nor half the other stuff I've seen Astro fans accusing other teams of doing. Now que the conspiracy theories if you want but as I've stated it is as sad as Saints fans continuing to have conspiracy theories on NFL.

I don’t need a lifeline.

If I were confronted with even one situation of a pitch being stolen that resulted in a game winning hit that came from camera to batter through any type of signal, it would bother me.

But over the course of 3 seasons, and especially the post season, it just does not exist

The empirical evidence would suggest just the opposite. I sleep well at night.

And in so far as the Yankees series, we never had offensive explosions, and the Yankees struggled to make contact on the road, much less score.

Regardless, teams are looking for advantages to win. Always.

Yankees have held the advantages since the ‘20s

I’m ready for 2020 to start

Cheating has happened for years, I've stated since before this began using technology is out of bounds. Especially for real time information, the whole "baseball has always cheated" is also just a lame excuse imo.

Astros employ one of the biggest sanctimonious people in Verlander who has voiced his displeasure on cheating, PED's, etc... Thought his baseball tenure as well but it helped him win his first title so now, "no comment."

Sign stealing has been happening for decades I agree, I don't think the real time technology has been despite what Jack McDowell stated. Teams have tried but until recently they didn't have the technology to really do it

I'm not denying anything, I'm saying it was ineffective because of the amount of time it takes to relay information that way. You would need someone watching a TV and someone on the phone at the same time then to relay that information to the batter before hand via a light, which means relaying information to the operator. They have have tried but today's technology makes it much easier to get real time results since we can send messages in under a second now.