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re: DAT 8/1: Indians (Williams) @ Astros (Framber) - JV IS BACK - Framber with no hitter!!!

Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:10 pm to
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
26634 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:10 pm to
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Two top prospects for a guy that you let walk in the off-season


This is the funniest part to me. This has Crane/Bagwell/Dusty written all over it.
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3649 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:10 pm to
Gilbert was the only piece outside of Brown or Yanier that was good enough to convince the Mets to do this. Cranes tight arse wasn't paying Verlanders contract.

This place would've melted if we had traded Francis Martes or Whitley at various points over the years.

You've gotta go for it now while Bregman, Altuve, Tucker, Framber are still here

We'll be on the edge of tanking when Gilbert/Clifford get to their primes
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
80652 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

Clifford higher ceiling than Gilbert.



You got this part right at least.
Posted by Ignignokt
Member since Dec 2005
3461 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:10 pm to
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Gilbert and Clifford according to mlbtv


That stings. Mets better be giving up some $$$ for this or we got royally screwed.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
105579 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

bagweel/crane/dusty


Exactly what it is.
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
23760 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:12 pm to
As far as the next 3 hours go


We still haven’t dealt Meyers/Julks/any of the AAA OF


We’ve gotta have another move coming. Bet one of them for a bullpen piece
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
26634 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:12 pm to
Sad
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23540 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:12 pm to
Scherzer likely beats JV head to head

I would trust our lineup vs JV more than the other way around

And we gave up Gilbert and Clifford for that

I realize Chas made this a more acceptable loss, but we should have had better leverage.

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Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
26634 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:12 pm to
Although none of it matters if we can go back to back.

But Verlander isn’t the piece to do that I don’t think
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
105579 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:13 pm to
If no other moves this is just a shitty PR move. Amplifies how bigly they botched this offseason.
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
23760 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:13 pm to
I think adding JV over Max gives us a better chance of winning the division



I’d rather Max start a playoff game over JV though
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
62202 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:14 pm to
Scherzer has looked quite rough this year when I’ve watched

Neither is a number one in todays MLB. We have one of those already though he just needs to start pitching like it again
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23540 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

I think adding JV over Max gives us a better chance of winning the division



I’d rather Max start a playoff game over JV though



Agreed

And it's obviously all or nothing when you've been to 6 straight ALCS's
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
23760 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:16 pm to
Yeah that’s why I’m confident in JV being better over the next 2 months
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
23760 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:16 pm to
Yeah Framber has to get back to pitching like an ace or this is all a moot point and we totally fricked our future
Posted by Topo Chico
Houston
Member since Apr 2019
446 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Scherzer likely beats JV head to head


quote:

Scouts following the Mets in recent weeks strongly believed that Scherzer’s stuff had declined more than Verlander’s, though one did not have to be a scout to observe that.
Andy Martino
Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 8:18 AM CDT
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
80652 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:18 pm to
Current Max looks inferior to current JV.

And if JV only helps them win the division, that's like winning 2+ playoff games since it gets them out of the Wild Card and homefield advantage in the ALCS.

As for the last offseason, it was a total disaster. There's no denying that.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
105579 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:18 pm to
I'm just worried about what happens to bielak. I feel for this guy. He's given us all he has.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
57556 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:19 pm to
I’ve talked myself into being ok with this if:

The Mets are eating almost all of JV’s contract.

That money saved goes toward getting Tucker locked up now.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
38865 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:19 pm to
our world series hopes are still entirely based on javier and framber getting their head out of their arse

it's possible
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