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DAT 7/20: Marlins (Junk) @ Astros (Blanco) 7:10 PM

Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:21 am
Posted by Uncle Mike23
Member since May 2024
3812 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:21 am
So, Bagwell thinks the team was too analytics heavy under Click?


It seems like getting a complete overhaul of the decision makers in this organization would be one small step for man, but one giant leap for mankind.
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
5361 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:30 am to
They need to have a fire sale. They don’t have enough of anything (pitching or hitting) to sign one or two players by the deadline that will make the needle move.

The way they sit right now I could see them losing 15 of the next 20……EASILY
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102396 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:33 am to
It blows the mind to realize Morris Dubonds would be among the best non-Yed hitters on this club..


.266 (3rd)
.318 (4th)
.417 (4th)
.735 (5th)
20 doubles (1st)
10 HR (5th)
53 RBI (3rd)


At least we've got all of Nick Allen's memorable contributions including that time when....
Posted by DalenSA
2024 DAT RotY
Member since Jan 2023
10617 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:43 am to
Espada should not be allowed on stadium grounds
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124206 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 11:20 am to
I think the only virtue of not selling now is that we would have a different GM doing the selling in the winter. I think you’ve got great conditions for a sale at the deadline. Lots of desperate teams, few sellers, and a looming lockout that may induce teams to taking basically a pay day loan for a playoff run.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124206 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 11:21 am to
They’ve got 1.5 starting pitchers and anywhere from 3-4 competent major league hitters on a nightly basis. Sell, sell, sell.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
38155 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 11:26 am to
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Marlins (Junk)


Cool. We get to see Janson's Junk tonight...
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
84612 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 11:38 am to
quote:

They’ve got 1.5 starting pitchers and anywhere from 3-4 competent major league hitters on a nightly basis. Sell, sell, sell.


I mean, here are the moves a smart owner who understands the situation would make.

Fire the idiot manager today and see if that sparks the team (it certainly cannot hurt).

If no spark or a continued fall, fire Brown and let the top front office person handle a fire sale. If the team gets hot, tell Brown to go get reinforcements.

But I don't see any headlines about the Astros shitcanning Espada like a competent franchise should have done between yesterday evening and this morning so...
Posted by Pistols Firing 12
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2016
1176 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 11:51 am to
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smart owner


What’s that???

We all know how this saga will end. We will play just shy of awful long enough to stay a few games out of a wild card spot. The ownership and management will convince themselves that adding a couple pieces will somehow make this terrible team better and in the playoff hunt. From there, they will either continue to suck and miss the playoffs. Or by some long shot of a miracle, they make the playoffs but get bounced early.

Crane, brown, Espada all have zero clue that this team is NOT capable of competing at the highest level. And that fact alone is troublesome.
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 11:53 am
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104319 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

Crane, brown, Espada all have zero clue that this team is NOT capable of competing at the highest level. And that fact alone is troublesome.


It's sad because it's true.
Posted by Cleathecat
Houston
Member since Feb 2021
1874 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:05 pm to
It's really amazing how we though Crane was brilliant at one time but it's become obvious that he caught lightning in the bottle with Luhnow.
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
32708 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:20 pm to
Two and only two reasons to even watch these clowns:

1) YorGod
2) Altuve's chase for 3,000 hits

frick everything/everyone else, especially the Doofy manager/GM we have.
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 12:21 pm
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
25157 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

I mean, here are the moves a smart owner who understands the situation would make.

Fire the idiot manager today and see if that sparks the team (it certainly cannot hurt).

If no spark or a continued fall, fire Brown and let the top front office person handle a fire sale. If the team gets hot, tell Brown to go get reinforcements.

But I don't see any headlines about the Astros shitcanning Espada like a competent franchise should have done between yesterday evening and this morning so...


That might be a bit over the top for some (many) who have been in La La Land to handle all in one post. And while there may have been a spark to help those with the incurable case of hopium, it would have been weeks back.

There is only one course of correct action at this point, and it's not ideal given no true direction going forward, absent a coordinator.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
25157 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

Crane, brown, Espada all have zero clue that this team is NOT capable of competing at the highest level. And that fact alone is troublesome.


And a merry band of DAT posters.

I can understand the owner, GM, and manager just floating along in less than mediocrity, but not some you guys.

What's become of us?

Failed community leadership is the only explanation
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
29086 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:43 pm to
I've been advocating for a sale for most of this season.

It's just time, we have entirely too many "just good enough" or AAAA players that hit and pitch with this team.

Even if you don't do a complete tear down, the next 2 weeks is a really good time to capitalize on the very few valuable assets we have to give the farm system a boost and get us on a path for a competent GM to do something over the next few years.

If you pull the plug soon enough, and hire that competent GM, you may just be able to capitalize on Yordan's peak years and give time for some of the promising (albeit very few) minor leaguers to become something.

It's clear that Crane isn't going to spend us out of this situation (and I'm fine with it), it'll have to be rebuilt again and there is no time like the present to start
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 12:45 pm
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
8745 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

I can understand the owner, GM, and manager just floating along in less than mediocrity, but not some you guys.


For me it’s more of a case of the chances of a miracle run, however infinitesimal they are, are still higher than the current ownership/management turning this around long term. I’ve been on record of saying Crane is irreparably broken and I’m standing by that.

He has downgraded in every major management position since the scandal. And I’m not saying Click was bad, just not as good as Luhnow. His choices for GM and Field manager since then speak for themselves. The hitting coaches were fired, and they bring in a new guy with essentially the same philosophy. The medical guy was fired and they promote from within after all the injury frickery. He took advice from completely out of touch former players. The biggest deals we’ve made in the last couple of years have been “brother-in-law” deals with players Crane was close to.

I have no trust in them whatsoever.
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 12:54 pm
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124206 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 12:53 pm to
I don’t think anyone here has been full of “hopium” this season if you actually read the threads. You’ve been wanting to rebuild since July 2023 because you were bored of the golden era. It happens.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9958 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 1:08 pm to
Sell everyone (except Yordan) and restock the farm.

But nothing matters until you bring back the nerds and Luhnow home.

Put the nerds in charge that brought us the Golden Age.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
25157 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

You’ve been wanting to rebuild since July 2023 because you were bored of the golden era. It happens.


I don't deserve that credit.

That would be Ryno

I actually had hidden optimism until '25
Posted by Cleathecat
Houston
Member since Feb 2021
1874 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 2:45 pm to
If you approach this trade deadline correctly you can rebuild and retool without bottoming out.

This relies on Javier, Blanco, and those guys staying healthy and a healthy Carlos in 27.Unless someone offers you the world for Yordan, if that happens send out Brown and Spaghetti too
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