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re: "Dan Marino is a better QB than Tom Brady"
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:17 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:17 pm to Jcorye1
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Brady vs. the Broncos is up there in brutal hits a QB has ever gotten over the course of a game.
One game.
The NFL basically said “alright, you can no longer hit the quarterback” after Brady blew out his knee in 2008.
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 9:18 pm
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Posted on 6/22/25 at 9:44 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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QBs only recently have lasted into their 40s. In the 1900s, they took hits.
True statement, but frick you for saying 1900's!
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:03 pm to YouKnowImRight
Look at how bad the Dolphins have become since he retired.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 10:10 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Just said by LaVar Arrington. Comments?
This seems like an argument frozen 20 years in time. wtf.
Posted on 6/22/25 at 11:04 pm to dchog
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Look at how bad the Dolphins have become since he retired.
The Dolphins were a combined 57-31 in the three years before and three years after Marino, with four playoff appearances and an AFC championship.
The Pitt Panthers were 29-6-1 with a national title in the three years before Marino. They hit the skids in 1984 but were still 8-3-1 in 1983 after Marino finished 9-3 in 1982.
Everyone shits on Marino’s teammates, but they literally did just as well without him as they did with him.
“Well, Marino was young. Well, Marino was old. Well, Marino’s socks were too tight that game. The Dolphins beat the 1985 Bears entirely because Marino was awesome and lost to the 1985 Patriots entirely because the other 21 players sucked.”
Endless excuses.
This post was edited on 6/22/25 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:03 am to Globetrotter747
Well there is another part of that bears equation.
McMahon was out so Bears offense was out of sync. Marino still thrashes the defense but still might have lost
McMahon was out so Bears offense was out of sync. Marino still thrashes the defense but still might have lost
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:53 am to prplhze2000
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McMahon was out so Bears offense was out of sync. Marino still thrashes the defense but still might have lost
Doubtful.
The Orange Bowl was a bitch for opposing teams, especially at night. All the glory days of the Dolphins and Hurricanes were during the Orange Bowl era.
It was just Miami’s night. But the Dolphins, including Marino, blew it in the playoffs a month later.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:01 pm to FightinTigersDammit
That's like saying Emmitt Smith was no Barry Sanders
Posted on 6/23/25 at 1:03 pm to KiwiHead
True. Barry was much more exciting to watch.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 2:40 pm to Globetrotter747
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Endless excuses.
Joe Montana had the greatest receiver and the greatest offensive mind in football and never had to throw vertical to compile number.
How many Super Bowls did Elway win before Terrell Davis?
How many Super Bowls did Jim Kelly win with the best roster in football?
You put Marino in any of those three situations and he does equal or better than any of those three.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 3:55 pm to YouKnowImRight
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Joe Montana had the greatest receiver and the greatest offensive mind in football and never had to throw vertical to compile number.
Montana won two Super Bowls without Rice and one without Walsh.
He also won a national championship at Notre Dame.
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How many Super Bowls did Elway win before Terrell Davis?
Elway made it to three Super Bowls without Davis and won his first as an 11 pt. underdog to a great Packers team.
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How many Super Bowls did Jim Kelly win with the best roster in football?
Best roster in football? Not too sure about that. And he at least made it to four Super Bowls, beating Marino in Miami en route to one of them.
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You put Marino in any of those three situations and he does equal or better than any of those three.
Elway, Montana, and Kelly would have had a damn good chance of winning a natty with the 1980-1982 Pitt teams. And just make one Super Bowl in Miami when the team got there without you the year before you were drafted? Not a tall order.
If we accept Marino as the GOAT QB, then failing to win a natty with all that talent at Pitt and only making one Super Bowl in a pitiful era of AFC football is an underachievement. Period.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:07 pm to Globetrotter747
None of those other QBs had Tom Olivadotti as DC on their teams, either.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:14 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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None of those other QBs had Tom Olivadotti as DC on their teams, either.
It’s always someone else’s fault.
Was it Olivadotti’s fault that Marino played like shite in losses to the 49ers and Pats in 1984 and 1985? He was in Cleveland, after all.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:16 pm to Globetrotter747
Are you actually implying the '84 Fins were anywhere near the '84 Niners, talent-wise?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 4:26 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Are you actually implying the '84 Fins were anywhere near the '84 Niners, talent-wise?
The 1984 49ers were a great team, but they weren’t otherworldly in talent. They had two Hall of Famers (Montana, Lott) and the Dolphins had two (Marino, Stephenson). Both had HOF coaches.
The 49ers were 15-1 and the Dolphins 14-2. The 49ers were a 3.5 pt. favorite and won by 22 pts.
Montana was 24/35 for 331 yards and 3 TD’s. Marino was 29/50 for 316 yards with 1 TD and 2 INT’s.
Should the Dolphins have won? Probably not. Should they (and Marino) have played better? Yes.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:20 pm to FightinTigersDammit
LOL.
No
Tom is the Goat. Its not even debatable.
No
Tom is the Goat. Its not even debatable.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:17 pm to Globetrotter747
Roger Craig and Rathman on offense. Dolphins had NO one behind the qb on that level. Bubba Paris and Randy Cross were pretty good OL's. Eric Wright and Keena Turner were very good defenders as was Michael Carter on the line.
Then there is of course, Ronnie Lott. The Dolphins defense had no equivalents to those guys on their defense. Maybe you forgot but a couple of years earlier, they played the Redskins in the Super Bowl. The Hogs were literally blowing them off the line 5 yards every play.
As for 85, keep in mind the Patriots beat a pretty good Raiders team too in the playoffs. The Pats were a legit team. They just weren't the Bears.
Also at the time, in case you forgot, and I'm sure you didn't. The AFC had no one who could match the Bears, 49ers, and Giants as those guys consistently appeared in the Super Bowl back then. The top four NFC teams were always way ahead of the top 4 AFC teams. Only the Bengals made it close in the 49'ers rematch. NFC playoffs were where the real action was back then.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 8:02 pm to Gen Patton
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That said, Dan Marino is the quintessential elite drop back passer, has the size, the toughness, the leadership, the physical traits, very underrated improviser, but last and certainly not least, supreme confidence in his release and touch on the ball to the point that everyone in the stadium knows he'll complete the pass before the play even develops
You misspelled “Joe Montana”.
But this topic could really get out of hand quickly.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 9:48 pm to prplhze2000
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Maybe you forgot but a couple of years earlier, they played the Redskins in the Super Bowl. The Hogs were literally blowing them off the line 5 yards every play.
Two of the Hogs (Russ Grimm and Mark May) played with Marino at Pitt. Jimbo Covert of the Bears did too.
The 1980 Pitt team had three offensive linemen that started for Super Bowl champions. Two of them in the NFL Hall of Fame. Two guys on defense (Hugh Green and Rickey Jackson) made the Hall of Fame too.
And Marino couldn’t even win the national championship with them.
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As for 85, keep in mind the Patriots beat a pretty good Raiders team too in the playoffs. The Pats were a legit team. They just weren't the Bears.
So it’s too much to expect the greatest QB team n the history of football to beat a “legit team” at home in the playoffs that he was 4-2 against as a starter?
Should everything have just been a walk in the park for Marino? If he had 21 Hall of Famers and played the ‘76 Bucs every week, would that have been easy enough for him?Ya know, Montana did have to put together a clutch game winning drive to beat Cincy in the Super Bowl one time. Elway did the same against Cleveland to drag the Broncos to a Super Bowl. They didn’t win every game 50-0. They pulled out some tough wins.
Being the GOAT requires doing something HARD. At some point you have to put the excuses aside and make a damn play when it matters and win meaningful games.
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Also at the time, in case you forgot, and I'm sure you didn't. The AFC had no one who could match the Bears, 49ers, and Giants as those guys consistently appeared in the Super Bowl back then. The top four NFC teams were always way ahead of the top 4 AFC teams. Only the Bengals made it close in the 49'ers rematch. NFC playoffs were where the real action was back then.
No shite. And Marino couldn’t win but one AFC Championship in the vastly inferior conference.
Marino was a great QB. I’m saying he wasn’t. But he and his teams in both college and the NFL had a tendency to frick up and underperform when it mattered most.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:01 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Joe Montana (Brady's idol) calls Dan Marino the best QB of all-time (for the Pros that know).
Joe has an opinion like everyone else. I’m a huge fan of Dan. I had him on my wall as a kid. He is the best passing QB of all time. I don’t believe he was the best overall QB of all time. I’d rather have Brady starting for my Super Bowl team.
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