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re: Curt Cignetti ruined college football for everyone
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:38 am to cbree88
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:38 am to cbree88
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However, there’s millions of low I.Q. fans out there who now think that’s the standard. They will compare their programs to Cignetti and will be disappointed 99.9% of the time.
For a $93 million coach with a $50 million roster, I will not be gaslighted into thinking that a berth in the 12-team playoff is an unrealistic expectation in year 1.
Utah and UCLA are doing it with first year coaches and Kentucky has a chance to.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:39 am to SparkyWilson
A lot of Cignetti's transfers came from JMU with him. Lane was able to bring only 2 of the Rebs with him. This is either (glass half full) Rebs overpaid to keep all of their players or (glass half empty) They all hate Lane. It is probably a little of both.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:50 am to cbree88
Here’s what I think not that it matters much. He didn’t ruin it, it’s the new era of college football period. Example NY Yankees - you have the best players money can buy. You make them shave, have dress codes, and curfews. What’s the problem? It’s the I deserve more than he does and it never stopped. Guys going out of their way to do more adding more pressure to themselves than just playing the game. That’s where schools are, how much am I going to make and I’m going to add more pressure to myself to look outstanding rather than playing the game in front of me. The play my arse off for my team and highlights will come mentality it isn’t what it used to be.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:52 am to SparkyWilson
Yes Cignetti did a good job, but have you looked at their schedule? Tell me that any 2 loss SEC team couldn’t cake walk that schedule.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:54 am to cbree88
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They will compare their programs to Cignetti and will be disappointed 99.9% of the time.
bullshite. LSU fans compare their teams to LSU's championship teams coached by Saban, Miles and Orgeron. We are disappointed when our team does not reach its potential. This may not be our year, but I believe Kiffin will get us there.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:13 am to cbree88
He has ruined it for dumb people that aren’t real contributors to the program. They also fail to understand the differences, all they see is playoff year 1 and title year 2.
What they miss is he brought in a majority of his old team which was full of vets that were in his system. He also had a favorable schedule where he got his arse beat by the only two ranked teams he played, Ohio state and then ND in the playoffs.
Yes Indiana had a major history of suck, but when you get to play one ranked team you can go 11-1 especially when you get most of your team with you. He played two good teams in year 1 and got arse beat by both.
Year 2 he still had his core players and added the hole plugging transfers.
The samething is going on with Bob Chesney at UCLA they are undefeated but their schedule hasn’t been all that terrible. Credit to them for winning but it’s not like ucla is a real threat to win a title.
If we look at the sec the year 1 coaches
UF - Summaral - beat up Auburn and ole miss and tejas, got destroyed by Mizzou, South Carolina and lost again, plus UGA who we should expect to beat them. UF spent plenty on their roster
Auburn - the ruskie- beat UGA, has had his arse beat over and over including by us and just struggled with arky.
Ole miss - playoff Pete - 3 losses beat down by UF, lost to Texas and just crushed by UGA. He inherited the best program based off the last 3 years before him, he had an all sec rb and all sec qb, the oldest qb in the league and a major roster budget. All he has managed is to be worse than last year and beat us by 1 score.
Kentucky - Stein - has two 20 point losses to Bama at home and blown out by Tennessee on the road. He beat us in a major upset, beat the same aggies we beat and came from like 20 down vs the biggest choker in the sec. Kentucky spent more on their roster than ever and it’s been a good year but it’s not like they were ever a threat to win the title.
LSU- Lane Kiffin - took over a program very similar to UF and Auburn the last few years without hitting the bottom quite as hard as either of them, we spent a lot on the roster but we also got more players than anyone. Which contributes to our problems. Lost on the road to ole miss and Kentucky in winnable games, blown out at home by Bama. We can scream but Lane makes more than all of them, well that’s the price to get a top line coach and our spending on roster was what had to be done to stabalize the program, it’s the cost of doing business and none of the other first year coaches are doing any better in fact worse if you look at uf and auburn, Kentucky is nominally better but they aren’t a playoff team.
Oh then we have arky
Arky - silverfield - beat Vandy, played Auburn and the Vols close- program is still a pile of trash and doesn’t spend. So Arky has the cheapest coach and roster and as such they are a terrible team with zero future.
So yea the losses suck but it’s year 1 and this is all about building the program, despite some fantasy the portal makes you able to win year 1, it only does that if you take over a program that either is already built or you take your whole team with you and also have a favorable schedule to boot.
What they miss is he brought in a majority of his old team which was full of vets that were in his system. He also had a favorable schedule where he got his arse beat by the only two ranked teams he played, Ohio state and then ND in the playoffs.
Yes Indiana had a major history of suck, but when you get to play one ranked team you can go 11-1 especially when you get most of your team with you. He played two good teams in year 1 and got arse beat by both.
Year 2 he still had his core players and added the hole plugging transfers.
The samething is going on with Bob Chesney at UCLA they are undefeated but their schedule hasn’t been all that terrible. Credit to them for winning but it’s not like ucla is a real threat to win a title.
If we look at the sec the year 1 coaches
UF - Summaral - beat up Auburn and ole miss and tejas, got destroyed by Mizzou, South Carolina and lost again, plus UGA who we should expect to beat them. UF spent plenty on their roster
Auburn - the ruskie- beat UGA, has had his arse beat over and over including by us and just struggled with arky.
Ole miss - playoff Pete - 3 losses beat down by UF, lost to Texas and just crushed by UGA. He inherited the best program based off the last 3 years before him, he had an all sec rb and all sec qb, the oldest qb in the league and a major roster budget. All he has managed is to be worse than last year and beat us by 1 score.
Kentucky - Stein - has two 20 point losses to Bama at home and blown out by Tennessee on the road. He beat us in a major upset, beat the same aggies we beat and came from like 20 down vs the biggest choker in the sec. Kentucky spent more on their roster than ever and it’s been a good year but it’s not like they were ever a threat to win the title.
LSU- Lane Kiffin - took over a program very similar to UF and Auburn the last few years without hitting the bottom quite as hard as either of them, we spent a lot on the roster but we also got more players than anyone. Which contributes to our problems. Lost on the road to ole miss and Kentucky in winnable games, blown out at home by Bama. We can scream but Lane makes more than all of them, well that’s the price to get a top line coach and our spending on roster was what had to be done to stabalize the program, it’s the cost of doing business and none of the other first year coaches are doing any better in fact worse if you look at uf and auburn, Kentucky is nominally better but they aren’t a playoff team.
Oh then we have arky
Arky - silverfield - beat Vandy, played Auburn and the Vols close- program is still a pile of trash and doesn’t spend. So Arky has the cheapest coach and roster and as such they are a terrible team with zero future.
So yea the losses suck but it’s year 1 and this is all about building the program, despite some fantasy the portal makes you able to win year 1, it only does that if you take over a program that either is already built or you take your whole team with you and also have a favorable schedule to boot.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:14 am to am4titansandlsu
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He went 11-2 year one with a joke of a schedule and a ton of players from his previous stop. IU actually got trounced in his only two games against ranked teams year one.
How some of you discount this at fricking INDIANA is genuinely amazing
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:17 am to Old Katy Tiger
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Yes Cignetti did a good job, but have you looked at their schedule?
He’s 35-3 with an undefeated national championship AT INDIANA
some of you are so stupid it makes my head hurt. A “good job.” frick out of here
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:20 am to MrWalkingMan
For a $93 million coach with a $50 million roster, I will not be gaslighted into thinking that a berth in the 12-team playoff is an unrealistic expectation in year 1. Utah and UCLA are doing it with first year coaches and Kentucky has a chance to. you can chose to be retarded that’s fine.
Utah is in the big 12 not the sec and the big 12 has done exactly zero in the playoffs. Their coach also inherited a team that was already good thanks to urban and Wittingham. They have a qb that’s been in the program multiple years.
UCLA is much the same as Indiana, their schedule has helped a ton.
Kentucky isn’t a threat to get in the playoffs, their best win is a 1 point OT win vs a 3 loss LSU and another OT win vs South Carolina. They got their arse beat by bama way worse than us, they were in it at the half thanks to bama turnovers, then they got arse beat all the second half and they had no chance vs Tennessee. They also spent plenty of money on their roster.
So cry that we spent 40-50M, retaining the only good pieces we had and then acquired 50 players, that’s less than 1m per player and we know Seaton and Sam make up around 10M of that.
So at the end of the day the successful year 1 coaches are 1. That got an easy schedule and brought key pieces to his team, which is a lot easier to do when you go JMU to a big10 school than sec to sec.
2. A guy that took over a well established winning program that was ready to already win, again in an easier conference.
3 the one that is your best comparison, is in the same position other than a lucky win vs us. They played 3 real teams and are 1-2 with arse beatings and they spent plenty.
Utah is in the big 12 not the sec and the big 12 has done exactly zero in the playoffs. Their coach also inherited a team that was already good thanks to urban and Wittingham. They have a qb that’s been in the program multiple years.
UCLA is much the same as Indiana, their schedule has helped a ton.
Kentucky isn’t a threat to get in the playoffs, their best win is a 1 point OT win vs a 3 loss LSU and another OT win vs South Carolina. They got their arse beat by bama way worse than us, they were in it at the half thanks to bama turnovers, then they got arse beat all the second half and they had no chance vs Tennessee. They also spent plenty of money on their roster.
So cry that we spent 40-50M, retaining the only good pieces we had and then acquired 50 players, that’s less than 1m per player and we know Seaton and Sam make up around 10M of that.
So at the end of the day the successful year 1 coaches are 1. That got an easy schedule and brought key pieces to his team, which is a lot easier to do when you go JMU to a big10 school than sec to sec.
2. A guy that took over a well established winning program that was ready to already win, again in an easier conference.
3 the one that is your best comparison, is in the same position other than a lucky win vs us. They played 3 real teams and are 1-2 with arse beatings and they spent plenty.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:21 am to Old Katy Tiger
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Yes Cignetti did a good job, but have you looked at their schedule? Tell me that any 2 loss SEC team couldn’t cake walk that schedule.
They beat the dogshit out of the SEC runner up last year
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:30 am to Big4SALTbro
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So yea the losses suck but it’s year 1 and this is all about building the program, despite some fantasy the portal makes you able to win year 1, it only does that if you take over a program that either is already built or you take your whole team with you and also have a favorable schedule to boot.
I tried to explain it on my last post, so I'll try again.
You don't have time to build anymore. You've got high turnover due to NIL coupled with having to spend a ton to bring in more talent while paying top dollar for coaching. There's very little incentive for players to stay if they can get a better deal elsewhere.
Maybe it will settle down at some point, but, right now, you have to pay through the nose to compete, and the dollars bring expectations.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:32 am to vengeanceofbrain
Yes in year 2 not year 1.
In year 1 he beat who he was suppose to and got drummed by those that were ranked.
Cig is a great coach, his turn around of Indiana is pretty damn amazing.
It doesn’t change that unless you happen to have a majority of your former team transfer then getting so many portal players isn’t going to make you a winner immediately. When you get 50 players, it means you had to rebuild entire rooms, which also means you have a shite ton of needs and that then limits what you can get in the portal vs if we only needed 20-25 players we could have spent more on the top end.
The portal is great for fixing needs quickly if you don’t have needs all over. It’s going to help take a young 10-2 team to being undefeated if used right. It’s not going to take a 6-6 sec team and all of a sudden make them 12-0.
In year 1 he beat who he was suppose to and got drummed by those that were ranked.
Cig is a great coach, his turn around of Indiana is pretty damn amazing.
It doesn’t change that unless you happen to have a majority of your former team transfer then getting so many portal players isn’t going to make you a winner immediately. When you get 50 players, it means you had to rebuild entire rooms, which also means you have a shite ton of needs and that then limits what you can get in the portal vs if we only needed 20-25 players we could have spent more on the top end.
The portal is great for fixing needs quickly if you don’t have needs all over. It’s going to help take a young 10-2 team to being undefeated if used right. It’s not going to take a 6-6 sec team and all of a sudden make them 12-0.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:39 am to SparkyWilson
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You don't have time to build anymore. You've got high turnover due to NIL coupled with having to spend a ton to bring in more talent while paying top dollar for coaching. There's very little incentive for players to stay if they can get a better deal elsewhere. Maybe it will settle down at some point, but, right now, you have to pay through the nose to compete, and the dollars bring expectations.
Kiffin didn’t have high turnover at ole miss, he was quite good at keeping guys he needed and wanted. So this is just false.
If the top 15-20 teams are all spending within 10-15 million spending a ton is what it takes to compete.
You still have to build your program, Lane pulled a lot of 2 plus year guys, he built ole Miss up which had less resources.
The only people currently demanding what you suggest are those that at most contribute what it takes to get tickets. The ones writing the real checks aren’t.
In the playoffs, you have Ohio state winning a title - they spent the most and have been a program that has been extremely consistent since 2000.
Indiana - one of the worst programs in football history, year 1 coach cig comes over and brings a lot of his JMU roster, wins the 11 games he should, loses the 2 hard games, goes to the portal in year 2 and finishes plugging his roster holes.
Georgia should be the favorite to win this year- another long term stable program that isn’t going wild in the transfer portal, they aren’t having some massive turnover.
Expectations are fine, we should have them, but people throwing in the towel with retarded lame excuses is just people being babies.
If we here in year 3 with the same problem then fine it’s justified.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:45 am to cbree88
Kiffin is definitely disappointing right now, but I do believe it's absolutely idiotic to completely write him off immediately. I'm still on the train, but I do need the train to pick up some steam for sure.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:49 am to QJenk
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Kiffin is definitely disappointing right now, but I do believe it's absolutely idiotic to completely write him off immediately.
LSU is a qb away from being right in the mix and I trust Kiffin with QBs. Leavitt was the best he had available
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:52 am to MrWalkingMan
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For a $93 million coach with a $50 million roster, I will not be gaslighted into thinking that a berth in the 12-team playoff is an unrealistic expectation in year 1.
Utah and UCLA are doing it with first year coaches and Kentucky has a chance to.
To be fair, Scalley played for Utah, has spent his entire coaching career there, was named the HC in waiting by Whittingham years ago, and he inherited an 11 win team. He's not rebuilding a program.
Chesney has done a great job at UCLA, but they've been getting by against a soft schedule. Their best win was aided by 7 Oregon turnovers.
Kentucky is a couple of plays away from being 5-4.
Not all records are created equal. Obviously we all want to be in the CFP convo, but we also have a gauntlet of a schedule compared to most teams. There are other prominent programs with expensive rosters and established coaches who have looked worse than we have this season.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 10:54 am
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:57 am to cbree88
It's contributing to the hype of a 24 team playoff as well. The money grab was probably inevitable but the idea that a traditional mid-tier program riding a wave of emotion is going to roll into the end of the year banged up with no talent depth and reel off four straight wins against ranked opponents is foolish. We're not going to get the football equivalent of March Madness. The stocked ponds like Georgia and Ohio St are going to grind the little guys down and the process will be become self-perpetuating because the top recruits and players will then flock to the grinders instead of the grindees.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:58 am to nvasil1
Exactly when you dig into the actual teams it’s pretty clear that not everything is created the same.
Utah was setup nicely for this year and having a qb in his second year in the system is a major help.
The fact Lane took a d2 player and made him the best qb in the sec in just 1 year is wild
Utah was setup nicely for this year and having a qb in his second year in the system is a major help.
The fact Lane took a d2 player and made him the best qb in the sec in just 1 year is wild
Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:01 am to Big4SALTbro
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Georgia should be the favorite to win this year- another long term stable program that isn’t going wild in the transfer portal, they aren’t having some massive turnover.
Retention is an outlier. I think only a few schools will be successful at recruiting well and keeping them while working the portal unless some changes happen. It would need to turn into NFL style player contracts and control.
I want to see if Kiffin can do it at LSU. He went big on portal.
I am not an LSU fan, but I believe with the amount of dollars comes expectations for any program. I'm going to guess that you, like me, do not live in the same world as the ones writing the real checks. Maybe they do have patience, but I could easily see them not being happy with the current situation.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:09 am to cbree88
He may have proved a point rather than "ruining college football." It is still easier to win with guys your recruited, know the program schematics and expectations and play as a team rather than take 40 guys from 30 plus schools and try to have them gel in a short period.
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