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re: Could a triple option team win in the sec?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:44 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:44 am to WG_Dawg
Dude uf was a triple option team with tebow and Auburn was with cam and Marshall. Go watch the games brah.
Formations is the only difference. Blocking schemes were very similar.
Formations is the only difference. Blocking schemes were very similar.
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Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:46 am to KosmoCramer
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The jet sweep with read option that Auburn almost exclusively ran is triple option no matter how you slice it.
Semantically, every play is a triple option since the QB could hand it off, or throw it, or run with it. OP specifically mentioned GT, so logic would dictate that we're to refer to that TO offense that they run. A jet sweep option with a RB also in the backfield isn't the TO that he referenced. Not sure why this is such a hard thing.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:48 am to Moustache
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Dude uf was a triple option team with tebow and Auburn was with cam and Marshall. Go watch the games brah.
I've watched a shitton of games, I've seen their offense. You brought this on yourself by mentioned GT in the OP, who actually runs the TO, and now are talkign about spread option teams. And you also keep referencing florida and auburn, who are in teh SEC, which was what your question was anyway.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:51 am to WG_Dawg
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Semantically, every play is a triple option since the QB could hand it off, or throw it, or run with it.
Not where you leave a player unblocked to option them.
This isn't that difficult.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:56 am to Moustache
Triple option with sec athletes running it w/ a dominant defense would cause a lot of coaches to lose sleep.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:03 am to PeteRose
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w/ a dominant defense
So, one SEC team would qualify.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:10 am to VABuckeye
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So, one SEC team would qualify.
More would since number of plays the other team gets to run would be less. Same reason the Cowboys last year were "good" on Defense, the opponents ran less plays. Nevermind per play and avg runs were about the same.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:13 am to sms151t
If more teams had dominant defenses it wouldn't be as successful.
Bottom line is that there is only one defense in the SEC that qualifies as dominant with Florida a distant second.
Bottom line is that there is only one defense in the SEC that qualifies as dominant with Florida a distant second.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:17 am to Moustache
Well GT's offense ran train on the best Mississippi State team in history, so I'm sure it can be done given the right year.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:17 am to VABuckeye
The best option QB I ever saw was Kevin Faulk in HS
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:37 am to nvasil1
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Is there enough top talent still running a true option offense at the high school though? I honestly don't know.
you would have to teach it to them
You can't just recruit from offenses that run the same thing you do.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:43 am to Moustache
I actually had this thought yesterday. I almost started a thread about hiring Paul Johnson.
I think we could like people said it would be hard to recruit QBs, but LSu recruits a lot of athletes that play QB in high school and move to RB. We could have them play.
Think about a 2011 offense with spencer ware at QB, Hilliard as the dive man, and the Ford as the pitch man.
I think we could like people said it would be hard to recruit QBs, but LSu recruits a lot of athletes that play QB in high school and move to RB. We could have them play.
Think about a 2011 offense with spencer ware at QB, Hilliard as the dive man, and the Ford as the pitch man.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:44 am to Moustache
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Could a triple option team win in the sec?
In theory yes, but you'd need elite athletes
You'd have to have by far the best offensive line in the league. You'd have to have a dominant I-Back and your QB would need to be tough as nails because he's going to get lit up early and often.
Also need a fullback that can move piles
There are different types of options. The veer (Nebraska style) has proven to be the most effective running offense in the history of football. The freeze option (what Syracuse ran when they had McNabb) could work with the right athletes.
Having some semblance of a passing game helps in either case but you're not likely to recruit very good WRs with such a scheme. They'll be blocking 85% of the time.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:45 am to SammyTiger
I think a team that only uses the triple option COULD be a successful team AT TIMES. Heck, maybe even make the SECCG.
Do I see it as a viable long term option (teehee)? No.
Do I see it as a viable long term option (teehee)? No.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:51 am to SabiDojo
The last great option team that could compete with anyone was the 1997 cornhuskers IMO
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:55 am to Powerman
The oline would need to be good but I don't think they would need to be elite. It's no different than Ohio state's or Lsu or bama's need for ol.
Rb would need to be good but there certainly is no shortage of great rbs in the sec. Qb already get hit in running offenses. I ceding see how it's much different.
As far as Wrs go, you could get the 3 star guys like jazz ferguson, diarse, ryan swope, josh smith, and josh reed. They would do just fine. Plus, I'd argue lsu doesn't throw much more than a Nebraska option team anyway and we do fine at wr.
Rb would need to be good but there certainly is no shortage of great rbs in the sec. Qb already get hit in running offenses. I ceding see how it's much different.
As far as Wrs go, you could get the 3 star guys like jazz ferguson, diarse, ryan swope, josh smith, and josh reed. They would do just fine. Plus, I'd argue lsu doesn't throw much more than a Nebraska option team anyway and we do fine at wr.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:56 am to WG_Dawg
I think that there is a world of difference between the triple option offense that Nebraska used to run out of the I and the wingbone used by Navy, Army, and GT. Nebraska, and the old Wishbone offenses, is more of a power based rushing attack with some misdirection and option added in. The Wingbone is far more speed and misdirection based with only the dive being a power type run.
Not to mention the triple option itself is relatively rare even from Wingbone teams. Pitches, dives, mid-line options are generally far more common. Mostly because while the triple option pitch can be a homerun play if you pull it off, its also really easy to lose the ball if the QB pitches it a bit behind the RB or tries to pitch while in a mass of players. PJ himself once said they only run the true triple option 10 to 15% of the time.
I think a power option team that mixes things up like Air Force has done to include the passing game could certainly be successful. Mostly go with I formation downhill running, add in a dash of options, and play action passes when the safeties creep up. It could work but if you get behind early you may find yourself in a world of trouble.
Not to mention the triple option itself is relatively rare even from Wingbone teams. Pitches, dives, mid-line options are generally far more common. Mostly because while the triple option pitch can be a homerun play if you pull it off, its also really easy to lose the ball if the QB pitches it a bit behind the RB or tries to pitch while in a mass of players. PJ himself once said they only run the true triple option 10 to 15% of the time.
I think a power option team that mixes things up like Air Force has done to include the passing game could certainly be successful. Mostly go with I formation downhill running, add in a dash of options, and play action passes when the safeties creep up. It could work but if you get behind early you may find yourself in a world of trouble.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 10:57 am to Powerman
The only power 5 option team (aside from uf and auburn and other spread option) to run it is Georgia tech. Paul Johnson sucks at recruiting and gt just doesn't have the fan base or facilities to pull in recruits like a big 6 sec team
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:24 am to Moustache
Any offense can win in any conference
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:33 pm to Arksulli
quote:notice no one great has ran the option in two decades... meanwhile scores keep going up and up... there's the perception that down two scores in the second half the game is over, bc defenses can't get stops like they used to. the option isn't built to score in a minute when you only have a minute
It could work but if you get behind early you may find yourself in a world of trouble.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 1:35 pm
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