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re: Congratulations Chicago Bears-You had the #1 pick and drafted
Posted on 12/27/24 at 6:11 am to Kansas City King
Posted on 12/27/24 at 6:11 am to Kansas City King
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I will never trust a QB to be good if they are drafted by the Bears
I’m old enough to remember that the talking points before the season were that no #1 QB pick in recent history has ever been set up to win as much as Caleb Williams.
Since then…the narrative has changed.
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:02 am to Hank Tank
quote:is Caleb not mobile? His entire success in college was built on his ability to scramble and ad lib. But he can’t ad lib and play Superman like he did in college. Plus he can’t read a defense for shite apparently because it’s all safe throws and/or he is getting sacked trying to find someone
Having a mobile QB helps the OLine
I’d be happy to dig up some old threads on this board praising Chicago for the weapons they got. Oh and Caleb also seems to be oblivious to the clock as well how many times do we see late game issues with him leading a drive?This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 7:05 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:25 am to TigerMan327
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You can’t name 5 teams in the entire NFL that started the season with a better combination of production from their offensive weapons.
5? You can’t name 2-3
Any half decent qb would be excelling with this group.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:43 am to BigBrod81
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He doesn't know what he's looking at from a pressure & coverage look perspective. When they do try to call for deeper routes, Williams immediately starts to panic because he has no clue where the pressure is coming from. He either gets sacked or it turns to backyard football.
Yes. Think about how shitty the defenses were that he carved up in college. He has arm talent but he went from a 2 to a 10 in level of competition and it shows.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:48 am to Lolathon234
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This post was edited on 12/27/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 12/27/24 at 7:49 am to Lolathon234
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Daniels has Kingsbury as his OC who’s already done this with a superior version of Daniels in Kyler
LOL
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:17 am to Double Oh
I'm not ready to write him off as a bust yet. He needs a competent OC/offensive staff that will actually coach him correctly and put him in the best position to win. It's not his fault that Chicago thinks offense is still stuck in the 50's..
We did this with Bryce Young and once he got a competent offensive mind in Kanellis he made actual progress and looks like he can play, yet most on here wrote him off as a bust too quickly. You have to give QB's 3 years before making a judgement either way.
We did this with Bryce Young and once he got a competent offensive mind in Kanellis he made actual progress and looks like he can play, yet most on here wrote him off as a bust too quickly. You have to give QB's 3 years before making a judgement either way.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:35 am to Lolathon234
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Their stats are comparable while Williams is playing with the worst o line in football and a coaching staff that won’t last past next season.
Completely false. The Bears offensive line is ranked 14th in ESPN pass block win rate and SIS has them ranked 19th in pass protection. It's an average to mediocre unit but not even close to being the worst o-line in football. A lot of the problems are due to Williams holding onto the ball too long as well as his complete inability to read blitzes.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:44 am to Tyger32
I think overall this rookie QB class looks like the most impressive one we’ve had since 2018 and could end up being a much needed talent infusion at the position for the next decade plus
Caleb’s talent is starting to show the later into the season it gets. Certainly questionable that he’s seemed to struggle the most at times with the best talent around him, but he’s got solid numbers for a rookie
Jayden has been other worldly already being in the commanders into the playoffs most likely. He’s been exactly what he was in college and been able to stay healthy, which I think was the bigger concern than anything
Bo nix appears to be in the perfect football situation for him and is leading the broncos to the playoffs as well. A big piece of this is the broncos unexpectedly having a championship level Oline to go with an elite defense.
Maye is working with future forex traders at WR and tackle and still making magic happen. Needs to cull the turnovers but he’s shown flashes of elite elite stuff. Obviously biased here and watch him the most out of all these guys, but if the pats put talent around him, he’s gonna be a problem
Now Pennix has a chance to add to this heading into next year as the unquestioned starter
And potentially next year JJ McCarthy would have a chance to step into a situation that already turned Sam Darnold into a top 10 qb, if he’s healthy and wins that job, could end up with 6 starters from that one draft class
Caleb’s talent is starting to show the later into the season it gets. Certainly questionable that he’s seemed to struggle the most at times with the best talent around him, but he’s got solid numbers for a rookie
Jayden has been other worldly already being in the commanders into the playoffs most likely. He’s been exactly what he was in college and been able to stay healthy, which I think was the bigger concern than anything
Bo nix appears to be in the perfect football situation for him and is leading the broncos to the playoffs as well. A big piece of this is the broncos unexpectedly having a championship level Oline to go with an elite defense.
Maye is working with future forex traders at WR and tackle and still making magic happen. Needs to cull the turnovers but he’s shown flashes of elite elite stuff. Obviously biased here and watch him the most out of all these guys, but if the pats put talent around him, he’s gonna be a problem
Now Pennix has a chance to add to this heading into next year as the unquestioned starter
And potentially next year JJ McCarthy would have a chance to step into a situation that already turned Sam Darnold into a top 10 qb, if he’s healthy and wins that job, could end up with 6 starters from that one draft class
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:44 am to Double Oh
People have come to realize how much these "scouting departments" don't know what they are doing much more than anybody else. They get fired if they pass on the guy with all the "measureables". Every week on here there will be a thread going something like ""how did Puka Nakua get drafted so late". This is the reason. NFL teams will always draft the Jamarcus Russell's early and the Brock Purdy's late.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 8:56 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I’m not a Caleb guy, but it’s kind of early to indict him.
The point of his post isn't about the first part. It's about the second part.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:12 am to BigBrod81
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That's on the Bears for starting Williams though when there had to be obvious signs in training camp that he wasn't ready.
You keep putting blame on the organization but maybe he’s just a garbage player that’s getting exposed in the nfl
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:29 am to Evolved Simian
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Washington had already started turning the corner, but they needed a qb, and they got the best one in the draft.
Turning the corner??
no they were going backwards under Ron. A team that is turning the corner doesn’t fire their HC go take a look at how many draft picks Ol Ron Rivera still has on the Skins roster. 
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:45 am to TigerNutts
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He’s been sacked 67 times already
His O-line struggles, but he may be worse at avoiding sacks than current Russel Wilson, which is about as bad as you can get
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:47 am to Double Oh
I mean, his stats are almost as good as Daniel’s.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:50 am to witty alias
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I mean, his stats are almost as good as Daniel’s.
His conventional stats are. But he’s absolutely terrible in pretty much all advanced stats (EPA/dropback, QBR, PFF, ANY/A, etc.)
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:52 am to Bench McElroy
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Completely false. The Bears offensive line is ranked 14th in ESPN pass block win rate and SIS has them ranked 19th in pass protection. It's an average to mediocre unit but not even close to being the worst o-line in football. A lot of the problems are due to Williams holding onto the ball too long as well as his complete inability to read blitzes.
This. Mediocre is a good word to describe them. But people think they’re horrendous due to their quarterback.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 9:52 am to LilWezyAna
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His O-line struggles, but he may be worse at avoiding sacks than current Russel Wilson, which is about as bad as you can get
I haven’t watched all their games, but he holds the ball too long. He did the same thing in college. He holds the ball until someone is open then throws it.
In the NFL, you need to take your steps and release and it’s on the WR to be in the right place and catch the ball. That’s at a minimum.
Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:03 am to Suntiger
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I haven’t watched all their games, but he holds the ball too long. He did the same thing in college. He holds the ball until someone is open then throws it.
Diving into the numbers a bit, his PTK time (time in pocket) is 2.4, which is the same as Daniel’s. This is usually a pretty decent indicator of QBs that get the ball out quick and make quick decisions
Tua has the best in the league at 2.1
Lot of big names at 2.3 - Rodgers, Mahommes, Goff, Allen, Burrow, even Drake Maye (and funnily enough Mac Jones)
Other QBs at 2.4 this year - Stroud, Stafford, Jordan love, Kyler Murray
Guys above that- Lamar, Bo Nix, Herbert and Purdy are at 2.5
And way ahead of the pack are Hurts and Darnold at 2.7. Them boys love to pat the ball.
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 10:28 am to moock blackjack
quote:don’t forget trubiski
Caleb Williams and Justin Fields
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