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re: College Football Needs a Playoff System
Posted on 3/19/10 at 9:03 am to Ethan Martin
Posted on 3/19/10 at 9:03 am to Ethan Martin
quote:
College Football Needs a Playoff System
not really
Posted on 3/19/10 at 9:06 am to Bench McElroy
quote:
2007- LSU vs. Georgia/USC
2008- Florida vs. USC
Well that's convenient for your argument...
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm amazed at the stupidity that some people show in this discussion AGAIN. So a few quick points just so lurkers don't think everybody here is a bunch of morons and I'm not clicking on this fricking thread again:
Playoff makes sense for the following reasons:
-People that say the regular season is a playoff are full of shite. It's not a playoff if the top teams ARE NOT PLAYING EACH OTHER. We are forced to watch them play other teams and eyeball how good they are based on how they "look" and then take another level and try to assess how good the teams they beat/lose to are based on how THOSE teams "look"...and the cycle continues.
-A playoff including 6 or 8 teams will NOT devalue the regular season: any given loss can potentially drop a team 6 spots. The regular season will be just as intense and it will be MORE meaningful since a team's season won't potentially be over after just one loss and they could still play themselves into the top 6. As it is now, a team that loses 2 games is playing for a spot in a meaningless exhibition "bowl" game. If more teams are alive, the CBB regular season would be even MORE intense. And if you do a 6 team playoff and award teams 1 and 2 first round byes, all you morons that make the argument that a playoff devalues the regular season have nothing to stand on since the incentive is still there to be in the top 2.
-A 9th or 7th ranked team getting screwed out of a playoff spot is NOT the same as a 3rd ranked getting screwed out of an NC game. Anybody who doesn't understand this concept or why it's true has absolutely no reasoning ability whatsoever.
-I understand that playoffs won't happen because of the vested interests of the Bowls themselves, the universities, and the conferences. It's about $$$$. They float this bullshite propaganda about it actually being a "good" competitive system b/c they can't just outright say it's about the $$$$ since it's bad PR.
-Show me ANY frickING SPORT ON EARTH that has a playoff system where the fans long for a BCS-style champ; or even where this is a discussion. Are you BCS honks really that dense that you actually think you're smarter than everybody else?
Playoff makes sense for the following reasons:
-People that say the regular season is a playoff are full of shite. It's not a playoff if the top teams ARE NOT PLAYING EACH OTHER. We are forced to watch them play other teams and eyeball how good they are based on how they "look" and then take another level and try to assess how good the teams they beat/lose to are based on how THOSE teams "look"...and the cycle continues.
-A playoff including 6 or 8 teams will NOT devalue the regular season: any given loss can potentially drop a team 6 spots. The regular season will be just as intense and it will be MORE meaningful since a team's season won't potentially be over after just one loss and they could still play themselves into the top 6. As it is now, a team that loses 2 games is playing for a spot in a meaningless exhibition "bowl" game. If more teams are alive, the CBB regular season would be even MORE intense. And if you do a 6 team playoff and award teams 1 and 2 first round byes, all you morons that make the argument that a playoff devalues the regular season have nothing to stand on since the incentive is still there to be in the top 2.
-A 9th or 7th ranked team getting screwed out of a playoff spot is NOT the same as a 3rd ranked getting screwed out of an NC game. Anybody who doesn't understand this concept or why it's true has absolutely no reasoning ability whatsoever.
-I understand that playoffs won't happen because of the vested interests of the Bowls themselves, the universities, and the conferences. It's about $$$$. They float this bullshite propaganda about it actually being a "good" competitive system b/c they can't just outright say it's about the $$$$ since it's bad PR.
-Show me ANY frickING SPORT ON EARTH that has a playoff system where the fans long for a BCS-style champ; or even where this is a discussion. Are you BCS honks really that dense that you actually think you're smarter than everybody else?
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:29 am to Jamohn
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I'm amazed at the stupidity that some people show in this discussion AGAIN.
I'm amazed when people call other people's opinion STUPID when they disagree with them
CFB is BY FAR the most popular collegiate sport. It has a GREAT built in entertainment value. Is the BCS system the most FAIR system? Obviously not, but is it the most entertaining? Well its really hard to argue against it.
It is a basic fact that the avg CBB fan only really cares about CBB during March Madness whereas the avg CFB fan pretty much watches the top games every Saturday.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:37 am to Ethan Martin
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Just take the BCS games (8 teams ) and make a play off out of it.
There aren't 8 teams in college football each year that deserve to play for the title
Also, with the SECCG we basically have a national semifinal right now, which is awesome
I'd prefer a 4 team playoff over anything else (would keep every game important and allow for an awesome post-season), but if you did that, there would be a call for 8 teams, then 16 ect, so the current system is fine
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:38 am to STEVED00
quote:And NFL is BY FAR the most popular pro sport and by some miracle, they're able to pull it off while having a playoff. We're Americans. We love football. That proves nothing.
CFB is BY FAR the most popular collegiate sport.
quote:Really? How is a meaningful regular season and 30+ meaningless exhibitions w/ one meaningful postseason game more entertaining than a MORE meaningful regular season (as I explained above, more teams in the hunt and just as intense) and a PLAYOFF postseason PLUS a championship?
Is the BCS system the most FAIR system? Obviously not, but is it the most entertaining? Well its really hard to argue against it.
quote:And you can't compare basketball to football in American. Somehow ppl watch the NFL every week. Why do you think that is?
It is a basic fact that the avg CBB fan only really cares about CBB during March Madness whereas the avg CFB fan pretty much watches the top games every Saturday.
**and I wanna say that I hate that I have to argue w/ a guy who uses Razor Ramon as an avatar b/c I thoroughly admire you for that.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:39 am to Bench McElroy
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So the BCS has basically gotten it right in five out of the twelve years.
who argues with the champ outside of 2003? nobody
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:39 am to Bench McElroy
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That's less than 50%.
how many final 4s have all 1 seeds? i bet it's far less than 50%
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:41 am to usc6158
quote:Ah. The old "slippery slope fallacy." Nice to see people going to this well again. That's not an excuse. Like I said: 6 teams. Top 2 get a bye. Everyone else deal w/ it.
I'd prefer a 4 team playoff over anything else (would keep every game important and allow for an awesome post-season), but if you did that, there would be a call for 8 teams, then 16 ect, so the current system is fine
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:42 am to Jamohn
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Ah. The old "slippery slope fallacy." Nice to see people going to this well again.
We've seen it play out in college basketball
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:42 am to Jamohn
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A playoff including 6 or 8 teams will NOT devalue the regular season
yes it will
and it will kill OOC scheduling
quote:
And if you do a 6 team playoff and award teams 1 and 2 first round byes, all you morons that make the argument that a playoff devalues the regular season have nothing to stand on since the incentive is still there to be in the top 2.
whoa.. a bye!!!!?!?!?!?!? no WAY
quote:
A 9th or 7th ranked team getting screwed out of a playoff spot is NOT the same as a 3rd ranked getting screwed out of an NC game
yes it is
all spots in a playoff are an entitlement to play for the title. they're equal, with equal chance of making the final game
quote:
It's about $$$$.
playoffs would mean more money for everyone involved
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Show me ANY frickING SPORT ON EARTH that has a playoff system where the fans long for a BCS-style champ
people are fickle and choose entertainment over quality all the time
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:43 am to Jamohn
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Ah. The old "slippery slope fallacy.
has CBB expanded? College baseball?
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That's not an excuse.
you're right, it's a legit concern/worry
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Like I said: 6 teams. Top 2 get a bye. Everyone else deal w/ it.
i'd like to see how you slice up these 6 teams
Posted on 3/19/10 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As if it's not dead already.
and it will kill OOC scheduling
quote:Edit: Nevermind, I'll leave the personal cracks out of it. That was out of line. But if you can't grasp why this is false based on odds, difficulty, and what you have to do to win a title, I don't see any way I can have a reasonable discussion.
all spots in a playoff are an entitlement to play for the title. they're equal, with equal chance of making the final game
quote:But not for the ones that currently have a stranglehold on it.
playoffs would mean more money for everyone involved
quote:And so you admit you're dense enough to actually think you know better than every fan of every other sport in the world. I'm not surprised.
people are fickle and choose entertainment over quality all the time
This post was edited on 3/19/10 at 10:52 am
Posted on 3/19/10 at 11:08 am to Jamohn
There is absolutely no question as to whether a college football playoff "would work." We already have 16 team playoffs working at every level of CF except for the highest. Of course, it would "work" and it would also make more money, offer the opportunity to be more equitable to smaller conferences and create interest in CF like we have never seen (in a 16 team field, I would be so glued to the TV that I might not survive the first weekend).
Of course, those who have all the money don't want to share and there are some some who make subjective arguments expressive preferences for the current system. Fair enough but I will counter one:
At least in an 8 or certainly 16 team field, OOC scheduling should actually improve because (1) SOS would presumably be important in getting one of a limited number of at large bids, and (2) a loss or two, especially to a top team, would be more forgivable than it is now.
The best argument against the playoff is that it is less likely than the current 2 team playoff system to have the "best" team prevail. maybe so, but I think a 16 team field - with a certain number of automatic bids - is going to be plenty restrictive such that whoever makes it through will be a deserving national champ. Does it just kill you that NC State beat Phi Slamma Jamma back in the 1980's or that Villanova beat G-Town? Not me.
Of course, those who have all the money don't want to share and there are some some who make subjective arguments expressive preferences for the current system. Fair enough but I will counter one:
At least in an 8 or certainly 16 team field, OOC scheduling should actually improve because (1) SOS would presumably be important in getting one of a limited number of at large bids, and (2) a loss or two, especially to a top team, would be more forgivable than it is now.
The best argument against the playoff is that it is less likely than the current 2 team playoff system to have the "best" team prevail. maybe so, but I think a 16 team field - with a certain number of automatic bids - is going to be plenty restrictive such that whoever makes it through will be a deserving national champ. Does it just kill you that NC State beat Phi Slamma Jamma back in the 1980's or that Villanova beat G-Town? Not me.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 11:24 am to N.O. via West-Cal
lower tiers of college football are not revenue generators and don't have to fill 90-100k stadiums
I like the 4 or 6 team playoff solution... bye week for top 2 if you have 6... upper seeds host the 3vs6 4vs5 matchups... semifinal games at BCS bowl site... national championship game is played in a BCS bowl site
When you get below teams ranked in the top 3 you generally get to teams with no real argument for having shown they are the best team in teh country... and if you diminish the importance of the regular season you are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs... that's where the money is.... the big programs are making millions for each home game they host.
I like the 4 or 6 team playoff solution... bye week for top 2 if you have 6... upper seeds host the 3vs6 4vs5 matchups... semifinal games at BCS bowl site... national championship game is played in a BCS bowl site
When you get below teams ranked in the top 3 you generally get to teams with no real argument for having shown they are the best team in teh country... and if you diminish the importance of the regular season you are killing the goose that lays the golden eggs... that's where the money is.... the big programs are making millions for each home game they host.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 11:56 am to Ethan Martin
We do have a play-off system winner of the SEC championship plays for the BCS National Championship, then they win and everyone is happy.
Posted on 3/19/10 at 11:57 am to LSUCanFAN
Oh and it's LSU's turn again, so I will be happy for another 3-4 years....
Posted on 3/19/10 at 11:58 am to JustSmokin
quote:Most trapeze artist use safety nets too.
Only one sport doesn't have a playoff. It's a shame
Posted on 3/19/10 at 12:26 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
quote:
At least in an 8 or certainly 16 team field, OOC scheduling should actually improve because (1) SOS would presumably be important in getting one of a limited number of at large bids, and (2) a loss or two, especially to a top team, would be more forgivable than it is now.
Who did Florida play OOC last year? Any doubt they would have gotten an at large?
Also, if we go to playoffs it will be 8 teams:
6 BCS winners
1 non BCS
1 at large
If we do like FCS those games are played on campus sites meaning millions more for the haves and dick for the havenots.
The best thing for cfb is to split D1
Posted on 3/19/10 at 12:28 pm to The Easter Bunny
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Also, if we go to playoffs it will be 8 teams:
6 BCS winners
1 non BCS
1 at large
fact
The conferences aren't going to go to a playoff unless they are guaranteed a slice of the pie. One more reason a playoff would suck
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