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Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:18 pm to Keys Open Doors
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:20 pm to spinoza
22% voting no one else comes close?
In the discussion? Sure
In the discussion? Sure
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:20 pm to spinoza
I hate Duke, but I think Coach K is inarguably one of the top 5 coaches of all time. Especially during this era of increased parity and a longer tournament.
His domination of the ACC is partly responsible for wrecking the conference's relative power. Duke owns the ACC tourney. Friggin' owns it.
His domination of the ACC is partly responsible for wrecking the conference's relative power. Duke owns the ACC tourney. Friggin' owns it.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:23 pm to Baloo
quote:and many of their bandwagon fans that have zero association to the program aside from pulling for them because they win. /rant
I hate Duke
quote:I can't see him outside the top 3. His success with the parity today is pretty amazing.
but I think Coach K is inarguably one of the top 5 coaches of all time.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:29 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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His success with the parity today is pretty amazing.
I think you can really argue that the parity in college basketball today helps Duke more than it does any other school.
What do I mean by that? With the majority of talented kids looking to leave school early Duke has carved itself an extremely advantageous niche.
They are looking for highly talented kids with at least the appearance of academic interest. Kids who may often come from at least middle class families and are more likely to stay 4 years in school. That's a winning program formula in today's college basketball.
Of course (perhaps in his defense?) it is worth pointing out Coach K was highly successful in the early 90s when the college landscape was much different from the mediocrity/parity we see today
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:35 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Other options could be Johnny Dawkins, Tommy Amaker, Chris Collins, and Mike Brey.
Dawkins has been a complete disaster at Stanford and Amaker has made 1 NCAA tourney appearance. No way those guys get anywhere near the Duke job
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:37 pm to usc6158
I think the next 2 years will show whether Dawkins is a viable candidate or not. I expect moderate success, but nothing making him a particularly strong candidate, probably similar to Amaker.
I would rather see them go outside the Duke assistants, if it means getting a guy like Stevens. It's obviously a very desirable job and many coaches will want to apply. I am just glad Alleva is no longer the AD.
I would rather see them go outside the Duke assistants, if it means getting a guy like Stevens. It's obviously a very desirable job and many coaches will want to apply. I am just glad Alleva is no longer the AD.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:39 pm to Keys Open Doors
Hiring the long-time loyal assistant of the legendary coach seems to always be a mess
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:41 pm to usc6158
For some reason Wojo seems like he could be a great head coach to me. I'd like to see him get a head coaching gig at another school to see what he can do.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:42 pm to molsusports
quote:You make a good point.
I think you can really argue that the parity in college basketball today helps Duke more than it does any other school.
Plus, with his success, Coach K gets almost anyone he wants to play for him. Although I would point this out:
1990s: 6 Elite 8s. 5 Final Fours. 5 Championship Games (2 wins).
2000s: 3 Elite 8s. 3 Final Fours. 2 Championship Games (2 wins).
His success in the 90s >> 2000s. IMO, parity today also means that there are more teams that can knock you off rather than just a handful of teams.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:42 pm to usc6158
I think Guthridge was okay, but he was just too old to keep coaching for long, and that led to the disastrous Doherty era. I don't think any of our guys will be over 50 besides Brey, who has been away for 15 years now, so the Guthridge situation will not repeat itself. And I don't think any of the guys are as vile as Doherty. Still, I think all of the Duke guys besides Brey are too unproven to risk hiring at this point. Go for Stevens. K seems to really like him as well.
On the other hand, when Tom Butters hired K, he had a mediocre resume and was a near no-name.
On the other hand, when Tom Butters hired K, he had a mediocre resume and was a near no-name.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:43 pm to Keys Open Doors
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I am just glad Alleva is no longer the AD.
as a LSU fan.Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:44 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
I think K is encouraging Wojo and Collins to look around. Wojo is going to interview for the Utah job once the tournament is over. Collins was the runner-up for the Xavier job when Sean Miller left.
He already has his next assistant, Chris Carrawell, lined up for the past 2 years.
Nice guy, good fundraiser, has no original ideas or backbone.
He already has his next assistant, Chris Carrawell, lined up for the past 2 years.
quote:
as a LSU fan.
Nice guy, good fundraiser, has no original ideas or backbone.
This post was edited on 3/24/11 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:45 pm to Keys Open Doors
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he had a mediocre resume and was a near no-name.
I wouldn't go that far. No one is going to do much at Army and Bobby Knight was about as good as it gets at that point in time. K coming from the Knight school of coaching had to be a big time positive.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 2:54 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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His success in the 90s >> 2000s.
Yep,
In early 1990's, Duke won 2 NCAA Championships in row (and almost 3rd in VERY close Championship game against Arky)
Posted on 3/24/11 at 6:59 pm to Keys Open Doors
My guess is 2 more years. Just a hunch. I don't think he'll stay that much longer.
Posted on 3/24/11 at 8:00 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Nice guy, good fundraiser, has no original ideas or backbone.
Agreed
I like how some LSU fans believe Alleva is some sort of basketball guru because he came from Duke, when the fact is, he had absolutely nothing to do with the success of that program.
By the time Alleva was hired as AD at Duke, Coach K had already led the program to 7 Final 4s, 5 title game appearances, and 2 national Championships
Posted on 3/25/11 at 10:29 am to molsusports
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I think you can really argue that the parity in college basketball today helps Duke more than it does any other school.
What do I mean by that? With the majority of talented kids looking to leave school early Duke has carved itself an extremely advantageous niche.
except that is a relatively recent trend (last 10-12 years). Coach K's best years at Duke were in mid 80's to mid 90's, when star players usually stayed for at least 3 years. You also have to remember Duke has higher academic standards so that limits who he cna get.
Posted on 3/25/11 at 10:32 am to Palm Beach Tiger
Bob Knight coached to 68 FWIW Dean Smith to 66.
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