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C.J. Stroud and Texans rip S2 test, says it should have no bearing on drafting a QB

Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:52 am
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:52 am
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He became one of the best passers in program history, steeled by the hard lessons he’d endured off the field. “My story is different than others,” Stroud says. More lessons would wait. He turned pro, then days before the draft, a report leaked that he’d flunked the S2 Cognition test, a set of exams that claim to “make the undefinable qualities of top athletes quantifiable.”

At first, he seethed. Then he shook it off.

“What’s a man gonna do to me?” Stroud asks now. “I fear God. I don’t fear no situation, I don’t fear a team, I don’t fear an owner. What’s so bad that’s gonna happen? I’m gonna drop to No. 10? Look at my perspective. I’m gonna get drafted regardless of that dang test.”

His play thus far has offered a damning indictment of his reported S2 results, the proof right there, each and every Sunday, that his talent and ability is something a test still can’t appropriately measure. “You don’t pick guys based on a test,” says Ryans, “especially a test we don’t even ascribe to. The most important thing about a quarterback to me is what his teammates say about him. That’s stuff you can’t fake.”

Ask Stroud how he’d evaluate a quarterback coming out of college, and he already has it mapped out.

“I’d never draft a QB who didn’t play another sport growing up,” he says. “I’d never draft a QB without talking to his teammates first. And I’d have to sit down with him and watch film. I would make him explain where the rules stop and where the instincts kick in.”

No tests, he says.

“Look, I can show you my high school report card. I’m not a dumb kid,” he says. “I’m not gonna lie, I was lazy in school, I got what I could so I could play football. But I always had over a 3.0 GPA because that was the standard in my house. That was my mom’s rule.”


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Posted by usc6158
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:55 am to
I thought S2 came out and said the score was not accurate?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 10:56 am to
Somewhat on topic there have been many many examples of elite qbs scoring mediocre or even outright bad on the wonderlic while qbs who are widely regarded as garbage scored above average.
Posted by Buckeye06
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:02 am to
If you just watched his highlights from the 2022 Rose Bowl there would have been no doubt what Stroud can do.

Yea Utah was missing guys in the secondary but watch the throws. They are pretty much near perfect. I said it during the game, Pro-Bowlers weren't stopping the throws

Just watch the first 30 seconds and he makes 2 over the shoulder throws against the sideline to Olave and MHjr that are impossible to defend

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Anyone who can't see it should be fired

Edit: he went #2 so people saw it, but pre-draft idiots were saying they didn't know why people thought he could be good
This post was edited on 11/10/23 at 11:08 am
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:04 am to
Favre, Marino and Bradshaw aren't exactly Mensa members.

And Fitztragic went to Harvard.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:12 am to
What about that Heimlich test? They should get rid of that, too.
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:19 am to
i can vouch for the skill required to be a good qb and having a mensa card isn't one of them. i would have been a qb instead of a db/wr/rb in college. was only an average shooter in basketball too. not bad at the plate in baseball, but not on the same level as guys that have a natural gift for whats going on in relation to speed, timing and distance processing in a live, physical environment.

can't be a complete dumbass, but high general intellect is only something that can help.

spatial intelligence in conjuction with physical ability isn't something that can be determined very well on a piece of paper/computer screen.

mike leach said it best:

quote:

"People make this mistake all over the country, and everybody can think of one, but there will be a guy who is big, strong and athletic, and everyone gets tempted by speed and if someone has a super strong arm."

"Then they say 'Well all he has to do is work on his accuracy. Well ok. He won't be accurate in high school. Then some college will take him, and then he won't be accurate there, and then the NFL says 'all he has to do is work on his accuracy,' and they'll take him there, and he won't be accurate there and then he'll be out of the league."

"The thing that's amazing to me, is that after all of high school he's not accurate, and now all of a sudden you're special and you're going to make him accurate? And then after college he's not accurate, and you're special and you're going to make him accurate? I just haven't seen that happen. I've seen guys improve, but they don't all of a sudden become accurate."
Posted by DomincDecoco
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Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:28 am to
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What about that Heimlich test? They should get rid of that, too.


Be a lot of people dying for no reason
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:36 am to
Fitztragic
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:41 am to
They might have had a shot at CJ Stroud but gave up the farm for Young
Posted by TheWalrus
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:43 am to
I remember there was a strong sentiment that the Texans were going to pass on a QB
Posted by SailorGator
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 11:50 am to
i guess they didn't think carolina was dumb enough to pass on stroud, and though mills was close enough to young.

sad part is that reich wanted stroud but the owner over-ruled him and rafted young. dumb arse owners thinking they know more about football than a guy like frank reich, who was also a solid nfl qb.
This post was edited on 11/10/23 at 11:52 am
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:07 pm to
It doesn't take that much intelligence to be a QB in the league anymore. The game has been dumbed down enough and the rules have made it far easier for less-than-cerebral QBs to thrive in the NFL.
Posted by Stevo
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:34 pm to
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It doesn't take that much intelligence to be a QB in the league anymore. The game has been dumbed down enough and the rules have made it far easier for less-than-cerebral QBs to thrive in the NFL.


Stupid take. The opposite is true.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:37 pm to
Frank Reich is rolling over in his grave
Posted by mattz1122
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:41 pm to
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less-than-cerebral QBs



Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 12:42 pm to
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Somewhat on topic there have been many many examples of elite qbs scoring mediocre or even outright bad on the wonderlic while qbs who are widely regarded as garbage scored above average.


Everybody knows the scores don't really matter and drafting's a crapshoot, people just like laughing at guys and calling them stupid.
Posted by Jcorye1
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:04 pm to
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Somewhat on topic there have been many many examples of elite qbs scoring mediocre or even outright bad on the wonderlic while qbs who are widely regarded as garbage scored above average.




Lamar is a moron and has managed to be a decent enough QB at the pro level. That forever knocked me off the Wonderlic.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:07 pm to
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for less-than-cerebral QBs
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:12 pm to
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thought S2 came out and said the score was not accurate?

They did
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