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re: Cam Newton blames JaMarcus Russell and Vince Young for his Pre Draft perception
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:23 am to alajones
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:23 am to alajones
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Who the hell was saying that Cam was the next JaMarcus Russel?
Go look at threads here and elsewhere from before the draft and during training camp.
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Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:24 am to joeyb147
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lunch from a chicken joint
Price's Chicken Coop, best damn chicken in the Charlotte area.
it's 3 minutes from the practice field
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 10:25 am
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:25 am to alajones
quote:He was labelled Jamarcus 2.0 by many on here.
Who the hell was saying that Cam was the next JaMarcus Russel?
quote:Agreed, but they were both big black guys that went 1st in the draft and Jamarcus had failed and people wanted Newton to fail.
They are completely different players.
quote:Meh...we all are or have been at some point in our lives.
Plus, Russell wasn't a thief or a liar.
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 10:26 am
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:26 am to Sophandros
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Who the hell was saying that Cam was the next JaMarcus Russel?
I sure as hell wasn't but I think Andrew Luck is the next Tim Couch
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:29 am to Sophandros
quote:I assumed Cam was referring to people like journalists or internet sports bloggers. I heard plenty of sports goobs talking about Cam before the draft and I never heard any mention of Russell.
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Who the hell was saying that Cam was the next JaMarcus Russel?
Go look at threads here and elsewhere from before the draft and during training camp.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:30 am to WDE24
quote:I'm one of them. Just because who he plays for though. Plus I think he is a douche.
people wanted Newton to fail.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:30 am to Rittdog
He should blame it in the fact that he was in trouble throughout his entire collegiate career and THt he couldn't name one play of his at auburn.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:30 am to Rittdog
He should blame it in the fact that he was in trouble throughout his entire collegiate career and THt he couldn't name one play of his at auburn.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:34 am to Rickdaddy4188
quote:I think he only got in trouble at Florida.
He should blame it in the fact that he was in trouble throughout his entire collegiate career
quote:Because they use a different system at AU for calling plays.
THt he couldn't name one play of his at auburn.
Also, his point wasn't necessarily to lay blame, but avoid playing the race card and instead place the blame at the feet of the individuals who failed to do the work necessary to be successful which thus fostered the perception of the athletic, black QBs in the NFL.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:35 am to alajones
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I assumed Cam was referring to people like journalists or internet sports bloggers. I
It showed up there, as well as on talk radio. These ideas don't exist in a vacuum...
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:38 am to WDE24
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Also, his point wasn't necessarily to lay blame, but avoid playing the race card and instead place the blame at the feet of the individuals who failed to do the work necessary to be successful which thus fostered the perception of the athletic, black QBs in the NFL.
Exactly (except that I hate the term "race card" for a number of reasons), plus he was cleverly pointing out that those who compared him to those other guys are the ones with the race problem, not him.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:40 am to Sophandros
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It showed up there, as well as on talk radio. These ideas don't exist in a vacuum...
Exactly...most of what you see on message boards is just parroted from what is being said on the radio and tv. In fact, the sports media itself rarely has an original idea. They certainly had a mob mentality with Cam.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:40 am to Sophandros
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plus he was cleverly pointing out that those who compared him to those other guys are the ones with the race problem, not him.
So, anyone who thinks JaMarcus Russell is lazy and wasted a ton of talent is a Klansman? Got it.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:43 am to I-59 Tiger
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So, anyone who thinks JaMarcus Russell is lazy and wasted a ton of talent is a Klansman? Got it
Not at all.
Let me type more slowly so you can understand...
People who lazily compared Newton to Russell are clearly only doing so because of race. That is the ONLY way that the two are similar.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:44 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:No, the people that think all or most black QBs are lazy and wastes of talent because Jamarcus Russell was are allowing race to unduly influence their perceptions. Way to completely misconstrue and misrepresent what was said. You are much better than that.
So, anyone who thinks JaMarcus Russell is lazy and wasted a ton of talent is a Klansman? Got it.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 10:58 am to WDE24
Hold on a minute. You too are making too much of Newton's comments and taking it upon yourself to use social engineering on anyone who dare disagree.
Look how many people predicted and still predict Tim Tebow will fail. Are they self-loating white apologists? Many who minimize Tebow's chances at being a long term, successful NFL QB do so because of his more "college oriented" background and reliance on his running game. Many who had doubts about Newton saw him like Tebow as well. Seemingly limited passing skills and a reliance on his own running game --something the NFL hasn't had too much of since the early 1970's, if that late. Now because of Newton's size , Russell and Young were knee jerk comparisons, some based on 'race' some based on physical similarities.
Look how many people predicted and still predict Tim Tebow will fail. Are they self-loating white apologists? Many who minimize Tebow's chances at being a long term, successful NFL QB do so because of his more "college oriented" background and reliance on his running game. Many who had doubts about Newton saw him like Tebow as well. Seemingly limited passing skills and a reliance on his own running game --something the NFL hasn't had too much of since the early 1970's, if that late. Now because of Newton's size , Russell and Young were knee jerk comparisons, some based on 'race' some based on physical similarities.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:07 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:How am I doing that?
You too are making too much of Newton's comments and taking it upon yourself to use social engineering on anyone who dare disagree.
quote:1. Those aren't the ones I was referring to in any of my comments. 2. Newton had much fewer questions about his passing ability and mechanics than Tebow.
Many who had doubts about Newton saw him like Tebow as well. Seemingly limited passing skills and a reliance on his own running game --something the NFL hasn't had too much of since the early 1970's, if that late.
quote:These are the people I have been referring to. If you don't think there was primarily a racial component to the Jamarcus Russel and Vince Young comparisons, you are fooling yourself. Many of the comparisons may have been out of laziness rather than racism, but Cam is not very comparable to either of the two other than his race. In fact, he isn't very similar to any QB in the NFL. A faster big ben or bigger steve young is probably the closest comparison.
Russell and Young were knee jerk comparisons, some based on 'race'
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 11:11 am
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:09 am to I-59 Tiger
You're protesting too much...
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:15 am to Rittdog
He's mostly right. Subconscious perception and how we compare athletes. If a potentially great college basketball prospect is white we compare him to Larry Bird (which despite Larry's greatness...pigeon-holes that player to preconceived limited athletic skills.) We do the same with black athletic quarterbacks...we compare Cam - not to Steve Young or Elway - but usually the last black (athletic) quarterbacks that we saw. So we usually compare up (Bird) with white basketball players and compare down (J-Fatty) with black quarterbacks. It's lazy and and we can't seem to get past skin color (on both sides) when comparing athletes...or expecting a certain result.
Posted on 12/28/11 at 11:16 am to JJ27
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That and the fact he couldn't remember a single play he ran at Auburn when asked to do so by Gruden.
Reflects more poorly on AU system IMO. They simplfied/dumbed the game down for the players. We had more/harder hand signs in high school. They just had a number on a sheet, plus a dummy call.
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