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Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:53 pm to bamameister
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Tell that to all the Supersonic fans. Seattle played chicken with ownership and lost big time.
That tells you the system is fricked
Maybe this is a hot take but you should not be able to hold a ransom to secure tax payer funding.
And yes I understand that’s how a lot of business operates and it’s not a simple fix. Fixing a fricked system never is a simple fix
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:07 pm to wildtigercat93
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aybe this is a hot take but you should not be able to hold a ransom to secure tax payer funding.
What the city of Seattle learned, the hard way, is that having any pro sport in town is a privilege, not a birthright. The commitment is ongoing. The fact they later made a billion-dollar investment, after the fact, shows how badly they realized they missed the bus.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:13 pm to bamameister
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What the city of Seattle learned, the hard way, is that having any pro sport in town is a privilege, not a birthright. The commitment is ongoing. The fact they later made a billion-dollar investment, after the fact, shows how badly they realized they missed the bus.
The point continues to elude you
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:17 pm to wildtigercat93
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The point continues to elude you
That's fine, but you can bet Seattle and Oklahoma City get it.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:18 pm to bamameister
Yeah I would agree that those cities likely get the point that the system is fricked. Regardless of their participation in the system.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:27 pm to wildtigercat93
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Yeah I would agree that those cities likely get the point that the system is fricked. Regardless of their participation in the system.
If you play, you pay. Lots of teams lost franchises because they played politics with their team. Seattle didn't read the room and Oklahoma City did.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:56 pm to LSUBoo
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sn't the current stadium near downtown? I'm not super familiar with Cleveland but it's not out in the burbs.
If you look at Google maps it it literally right by the thing that says downtown.
You also have a commuter rail station an airport and pretty easy access to major roads.
It is also on the water
If they wanted a roof they should pay to put it over the current stadium. Their current one is nice
Tired of funding billionaire projects through taxes then having them charge the fans PSLs
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:01 pm to bamameister
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What the city of Seattle learned, the hard way, is that having any pro sport in town is a privilege, not a birthright.
It’s really not and this is an oversold idea. I remember when the 49ers moved to Santa Clara. I lived there at the time. It was a full court press political marketing campaign where they even paid residents to go door to door in a city that was otherwise indifferent to them
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:06 pm to bamameister
You are the second most obtuse person in recorded history behind only Warden Norton
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:39 pm to DirtyDawg
Too bad the Falcons are shite.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:59 pm to lsu xman
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new $1B+ stadium to play 8 regular season Cleveland home games is crazy
If it's a covered stadium they'll use it for multiple events throughout the year.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:48 pm to bamameister
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Key Arena was a dumpster and the city fathers refused to spend a dime. The NBA commissioner and Adam Silver his sidekick at the time were begging officials to commit to a new stadium. Since the exodus, they invested over a billion dollars into a complete renovation. One of the nicest WNBA stadiums in America.
Key Arena, which opened in 1995, was not a dumpster. It was on the smaller size back then, but the trend today are smaller arenas. The arena was just an excuse for Bennett to move the team to OKC. The Bennett ownership did not want a new Seattle arena and did everything in their power to piss off locals and local government to make sure it would never happen.
Seattle never had a chance to save the Sonics.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:13 pm to RD Dawg
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f it's a covered stadium they'll use it for multiple events throughout the year.
Can't wait to have the final four in buffalo and Cleveland
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:27 pm to Enzos Tiny Pito
The CFB NC was played in Indianapolis in January so a final four in Cleveland
isn't out of the question.
isn't out of the question.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:30 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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A $300 million building does not have a 20 year life span. frick these teams that fleece the taxpayers for a stadium and then want a new one 20 years later.
Yep, this is ridiculous. Should get at least 40 years out of a stadium, unless it's privately funded, in which case rebuild annually if you want.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:37 pm to SprintFun
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Jimmy and Dee Haslam told him they want a covered stadium that could cost over $1 billion and are even open to moving the city-owned stadium to a new location near downtown to get it.
Where, exactly, is there any room downtown for a new stadium?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:43 pm to RD Dawg
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If it's a covered stadium they'll use it for multiple events throughout the year.
How many "events" does Cleveland host every year that would necessitate the use of a 70,000 seat covered venue?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:07 pm to Snoop Dawg
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Key Arena, which opened in 1995, was not a dumpster. It was on the smaller size back then, but the trend today are smaller arenas.
Key Arena did not "open in 1995", it was originally built in 1962 as part of the Seattle World's Fair and was the home of the Sonics as the Seattle Center Coliseum.
It was renovated in in 1994-95, but not adequately.
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The arena was just an excuse for Bennett to move the team to OKC. The Bennett ownership did not want a new Seattle arena and did everything in their power to piss off locals and local government to make sure it would never happen.
Seattle never had a chance to save the Sonics.
Baloney, Seattle had several chances:
Seattle businessman Howard Schulz (owner of Starbucks) bought the team in 2001, and tried to get the arena replaced. He sought funding from the Washington State Legislature for a newer, more modern arena and tried to work with the city of Seattle on a publicly funded $220 million expansion of KeyArena. He got neither, so he sold the team to Bennett and his group.
Rather than working to get public funding to help keep the team, in 2006, 74% of voters in Seattle voted to pass Initiative 91, a measure that prohibited use of tax dollars on arena projects in the city unless it could be shown the city would turn a profit on their investment.
Bennett gave the city a half-assed last chance with a proposal for an arena in suburban Renton, but that was shot down, too.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:10 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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Never understood taxpayers funding stadiums. You’re a multi billion dollar sports franchise. Borrow money and build it yourself
Some palms are definitely getting greased every time this happens
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