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re: Braves trade Yunel Escobar to Jays
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:54 pm to Hullabaloo
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:54 pm to Hullabaloo
Unless I'm mistaken I don't think any of the guys we traded to the Pirates have done that well (Charlie Morton's like 1-9 with a 9.35 ERA). Karma.
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:56 pm to Hullabaloo
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You calmed down yet swamps?
I've calmed down. Still don't like it but I'm gonna stop yelling out curse words here at work I'm just a big believer in working the count and putting together good AB's and getting on base, and that's not what Gonzalez does.
If he can come in and hit 12-15 homers the rest of the year and be a plus defender then great but his 2nd half numbers suggest that's not gonna happen. Plus we have noone waiting in the wings for the next few years.
We better hope somehow this helps us win a world series this year because if it doesn't, we've fricked ourselves
ETA: I would like to add that the Blue Jays know that Gonzalez can't hack it and will be coming down to earth or they wouldn't have sent us one pretty damn good prospect and another one who has the potential to be a decent leadoff hitter in the bigs
This post was edited on 7/14/10 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:57 pm to auzach91
OH THANK GOD
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:58 pm to The White Lobster
Good trade for the Braves. Escobar had worn out his welcome.
We got rid of Escobar's bad attitude and laziness.
We got a good hitting SS and a couple of prospects in return.
I'll take that deal.
We got rid of Escobar's bad attitude and laziness.
We got a good hitting SS and a couple of prospects in return.
I'll take that deal.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:58 pm to SwampDonks
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I'm just a big believer in working the count and putting together good AB's and getting on base, and that's not what Gonzalez does.
Yunel doesn't do that either. That, and the fact that Yunel doesn't hustle and has a bad attitude, makes me not mind this trade.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:59 pm to Crede15
Both of the prospects we got, while not marquee, are supposed to be pretty good. This trade could obviously go both ways, AGon could be good for us and help us win a title, the prospects could contribute. Or they could all suck and Yunel could turn into a .325 hitter who sprints to first base on ball four.
The main problem is the future IMO, Gonzalez will certainly do no worse this season than Yunel has so far and he won't be a total frickup. The difference is, how badly did you want Yunel to be our starting shortstop for the next 5 seasons? I wasn't exactly thrilled about the idea personally.
The main problem is the future IMO, Gonzalez will certainly do no worse this season than Yunel has so far and he won't be a total frickup. The difference is, how badly did you want Yunel to be our starting shortstop for the next 5 seasons? I wasn't exactly thrilled about the idea personally.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:59 pm to Ron Mexico
His attitude has always been shite, even when he was playing average
Calling everybody off then letting that popfly drop the other night was the icing on the cake, book it
Calling everybody off then letting that popfly drop the other night was the icing on the cake, book it
This post was edited on 7/14/10 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:00 pm to SwampDonks
tons of overreaction in this thread
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:01 pm to SwampDonks
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If he can come in and hit 12-15 homers the rest of the year and be a plus defender then great but his 2nd half numbers suggest that's not gonna happen.
Is the Rogers Centre known for being a bandbox type park? Because Toronto always seems to have several guys who hit a ton of HRs up there. The Ted is absolutely not a hitters park, so that might be some cause for concern. I hope he doesn't end up another Nate. 17 HRs before the trade and 4 or 5 after it.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:02 pm to The White Lobster
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Yunel doesn't do that either.
maybe not as well as he could be.
But I think we can all admit that Yunel has sucked balls at the plate this year, and somehow still has a .334 OBP, compared to Gonzalez's .296. If Yunel were to turn it around, his career OBP is .368 compared to Gonzalez's .294.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:03 pm to Robot Santa
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Is the Rogers Centre known for being a bandbox type park? Because Toronto always seems to have several guys who hit a ton of HRs up there. The Ted is absolutely not a hitters park, so that might be some cause for concern
another point that hasn't been made yet. I'm not saying Gonzalez won't come in and produce, but there's a lot more information pointing to him being a bust than him being a stud. I really hope I'm wrong though
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:03 pm to Pilot Tiger
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tons of overreaction in this thread
I agree, idiots saying this was a dumb trade for the braves are idiots
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:04 pm to SwampDonks
Maybe coming to the NL after being in the AL will make him a better hitter?
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:04 pm to SwampDonks
Swamp jesus shite, who the hell is arguing career numbers? Yunel's attitude is what got him shipped
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:07 pm to LSUsmartass
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Swamp jesus shite, who the hell is arguing career numbers? Yunel's attitude is what got him shipped
A lot of people it seems. And I understand that. I've never argued the point that that wasn't the case. I'm just talking about on field production.
Believe it or not, Yunel's attitude didn't cause this team to not play hard did it?
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:10 pm to SwampDonks
They played hard in spite of, but what kind of argument are you trying to make? A cancer here or there is acceptable as long as the rest of the team picks up his slack and plays hard?
Hanson visually showed his displeasure towards Yunel and there are reports Glaus let his displeasure with Yunel known.
Hanson visually showed his displeasure towards Yunel and there are reports Glaus let his displeasure with Yunel known.
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:12 pm to LSUsmartass
i agree. it's not a secret that the players aren't happy with him. If this increases team chemistry all around, I'm 100% for it. Production aside
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:13 pm to LSUsmartass
THANK GOD!
HE GONE!
HE GONE!
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:14 pm to LSUsmartass
I bet Glaus wanted to knock the frick outta Escobar when he almost got Glaus's arm ripped off. The only downside with this trade is I'll have to find a new player to blame. Welcome back to the starting lineup Mclouth 
Posted on 7/14/10 at 1:14 pm to LSUsmartass
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They played hard in spite of, but what kind of argument are you trying to make? A cancer here or there is acceptable as long as the rest of the team picks up his slack and plays hard?
Hanson visually showed his displeasure towards Yunel and there are reports Glaus let his displeasure with Yunel known.
I'm not gonna argue any of that. Did I like Yunel as a player? Sure. Did I like his attitude? frick no, and would've sat his arse on the bench for a week if I was Bobby.
I just don't want someone who has an OBP under .300 which is the exact opposite of what this team was built on playing SS for us on a daily basis, especially one who's having a career year and his 2nd half numbers are shite in his career and he's moving to a pitcher's park. Not to mention what the future holds at that position.
The question is what kind of future and production are you willing to sacrifice to get rid of a headcase? And we found out that answer
I am happy with the prospects we got though
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