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re: Braves trade Yunel Escobar to Jays

Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Hullabaloo
LA
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:17 pm to
I haven't seen AG play, atleast not recently. How is his fielding skills?
Posted by mmjones87
we so cold
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:17 pm to
I dont know a whole lot about baseball. But whatever we have to do to get Bobby to the playoffs Im fine with
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:18 pm to
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How is his fielding skills?


has a good glove. his arm isn't what Yunels is but there aren't many that are.
Posted by nickhole5
Atlanta
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:18 pm to
Anyone who thinks this is the greatest trade or worst trade is wrong IMO. It's a good trade to try to improve the lineup for the rest of the season to win a world series and may not be the best long term move for the Braves and our SS situation. I don't think this makes the Braves extremely better this year or doomed for centuries to come like most of you think. I always liked Yunel Escobar but everyone on this board is acting like he is Derek Jeter.

Does anyone agree that it's not as drastic of a change both good or bad?
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14457 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:19 pm to
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and we have no replacement in the farm
I wouldn't say we have no replacement. Diory Hernandez has put up ok numbers for Gwinnett. Last year he hit .319 with an OPS of .821. Not great numbers I know, but if he can get on base 4 out of 10 times the RBI guys should be able to get him in.
Posted by glb
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:19 pm to
I would think they would exercise Gonzalez' club option for next year.
Posted by Hullabaloo
LA
Member since Sep 2009
15296 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:20 pm to
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has a good glove. his arm isn't what Yunels is but there aren't many that are.



atleast he can contribute as well as Yunel did.
Posted by Ron Mexico
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:20 pm to
has anyone thought about how much better shape the braves would be if chipper were to retire?


we could EASILY land carl crawford in the offseason, and i think we could go after uggla as well.

prado at third, infante at short, uggla at second.

idk what to do, this really fricks us up going forward, i dont care what everyone else thinks, this will hurt us going after the big names bc, after addressing 1b, we will now have to address short as well
Posted by mmjones87
we so cold
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:20 pm to
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Does anyone agree that it's not as drastic of a change both good or bad?


AG is on a one year deal... This is all about getting Bobby to the playoffs. We owe that to him.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46353 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:21 pm to
Holy shite that is a depressing list. They better be 100% sure that Salcedo is gonna be MLB ready in 3 years because none of those guys is a long term option.
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
18342 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:22 pm to
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I wouldn't say we have no replacement


You're right about that but you're wrong about who it is. Diory will never be a starting MLB player

It's Edward Salcedo who is 18 years old and won't be ready for 4 years at least

we have to find someone until then
Posted by glb
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2008
1610 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:23 pm to
I found this in the mlbtraderumors comments:

A very quick a dirty review of the Braves SS prospects:

1. Brandon Hicks: An older ready now type of prospect who is on the MLB bench right now. He plays plus defense at short with some power, patience and speed but serious contact issues are keeping him from being a viable option this year.

2. Mycal Jones: A toolsy SS in high A with much of the raw ability you look for in an athletic SS. He is still obviously developing and needs to clean up the amount of errors he makes.

3. Edward Salcedo: One of the biggest positional player signings from the international market for the Braves in a while. He has a rare combination of power, plate coverage, and speed but many think he will outgrow SS and have to move to third.

4. Matt Lipka and Andrelton Simmons: Our S and 2 round picks respectively. Lipka is the more all around top of the order type SS prospect that combines amazing athletic ability with contact/plate control and solid defense. Simmons was the top defensive prospect in the draft and has the arm to be a power reliever prospect if he/they wanted. His bat really needs to develop is he is going to make it to the bigs.
Posted by Hullabaloo
LA
Member since Sep 2009
15296 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:23 pm to
I think chipper will end up retiring at the end of the season. Especially if we go to the world series.


And omfg at a the thought of crawford and heyward in the OF
Posted by Crede15
Member since Jun 2009
17250 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:24 pm to
Just a little info on the minor league reliever we got.

Collins, a 20-year-old lefty, was ranked 19th among Blue Jays prospects by Baseball America heading into this season. The 5'7" southpaw "gets outs with a solid fastball that tops out at 93 mph and a true 12-to-6 curveball that he spins really well." Working in relief, Collins has a 15.3 K/9 in 43 Double A innings this year.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
49017 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:25 pm to


How about we let the trade play out a bit before firing all the nukes? Paranoia, I swear...
Posted by Crede15
Member since Jun 2009
17250 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:25 pm to
Please no Diory

Can we at least see how he plays? Gonzalez not Diory.
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
18342 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:26 pm to
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idk what to do, this really fricks us up going forward, i dont care what everyone else thinks, this will hurt us going after the big names bc, after addressing 1b, we will now have to address short as well


we're not gonna have any choice but to take on A gon's option. I sure as hell dont want him playing SS for us for a whole year next year but we won't have any other solid options

we're so screwed in the next two/three years unless we start dishing out money big time. Yeah Chipper retiring would help but I don't see it happening with how he's been hitting recently, unless he has a major injury. fml
Posted by nickhole5
Atlanta
Member since May 2010
342 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:30 pm to
tylerdurden24: I'm with you. Damn. chill people. swampdonks is on suicide watch over here. You would think that Yunel was on his way to cooperstown if you read this thread.
This post was edited on 7/14/10 at 12:32 pm
Posted by SwampDonks
Member since Mar 2008
18342 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:31 pm to
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swampdonks is on suicide watch over here


sorry that I look at both the future and present when trades happen. this trade is awesome and will help us out for the next 5 years
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46353 posts
Posted on 7/14/10 at 12:33 pm to
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we're so screwed in the next two/three years unless we start dishing out money big time. Yeah Chipper retiring would help but I don't see it happening with how he's been hitting recently, unless he has a major injury. fml


If Chipper doesn't retire we are gonna have to go to like $110-115 million or so on the payroll. Freeman just isn't ready, and I'm not sure he ever will be, so we kinda have to try to re-sign Glaus. He is gonna want more than the $1.75 million we are currently paying him. We are gonna need a couple of outfielders most likely, or at least 1. Schafer isn't ready either, so he isn't an option. We are gonna have to pick up Gonzalez's option too, because there just isn't anyone out there that we could get who is any better.
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