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re: Boise State's Bowl Record since 2004

Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:50 pm to
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You saying a team that wins a specially named game is the best team because they won that game.


I'm saying it takes more than just talent and preparation to win a playoff game. It takes nerves of steel as well. That's when you find who the best of the best is.

Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:52 pm to
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I think they would do great in the SEC THIS year. SEC will be down this year again. SERIOUS!!!


Replace them with Mississippi State this year...

Memphis
Auburn
@LSU
Georgia
Alcorn State
@Houston
@Florida
UAB
Kentucky
@Alabama
Arkansas
@Ole Miss

You're still saying they go 10-2, Peej?
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:58 pm to
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Even if they go undefeated and every other team has 2 losses they might not get higher than 5-6 in the computers



bullshite!!!


Okay, Peej....

In 2007, undefeated Hawaii was 12th in the computers LINK

So 9 of the 11 teams ranked ahead of them were 2 loss or worse. Even these last 2 seasons Boise hasn't gotten above 6th in the computers
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:03 pm to
can you do me a favor and link me the BCS standings before the title game, or show me where ti look?

i need it for the 2nd part of my BSU article
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:03 pm to
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I am for all the FBS conferences getting equal weight in determining a national champion.


Sounds like we just need to relegate all of the nonBCS teams to FCS, or FBS2, then. Then the smaller teams would have a shot at a national title, but would lose tons of revenue
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:04 pm to
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m saying it takes more than just talent and preparation to win a playoff game. It takes nerves of steel as well. That's when you find who the best of the best is.


that's strait from cliches are us. Somes times its just luck, you want to make it a narrative. In any event, the same "nerves of steel" apply in CFB currently. 2 teams play 1 game to determine the NC.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:16 pm to
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Non-BCS schools can compete and win if given a shot. Imagine if they had a fair chance every year. And recruits knew that from day one.


Then the recruits should go to a school that isn't afraid to go and play 4 BCS schools for their OOC games. shite, Fresno State, Utah, BYU, and TCU find ways to schedule Wisconsin, Texas, Oklahoma, etc, why can't Boise State find these same games? Instead, Boise turns around and plays a fricking D2 team
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:21 pm to
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can you do me a favor and link me the BCS standings before the title game, or show me where ti look?


been reading through the thread so I just got to this

LINK

That should have everything going back to 2006
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:32 pm to
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that's strait from cliches are us.


That's funny, but I've been thinking the same thing about your crowd. It's like I wondered into the Flat Earth Society or something.

I honestly haven't seen an argument against playoffs that I consider to be worth it's weight in horse manure.

Football players play in playoffs in high school. If they are fortunate enough, they will also play in playoffs in the NFL.

Those players who sign with FCS schools also play in playoffs.

There's a reason every other sport in the NCAA uses playoffs. Because the majority of the people out there think it's the best way to determine a true champion.

I truly believe the only reason some people oppose playoffs is the same reason they have trouble getting off their fat duffs.

Inertia.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:41 pm to
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I truly believe the only reason some people oppose playoffs is the same reason they have trouble getting off their fat duffs.

Inertia.


that's because you are clearly extremely close minded. You favor it so you can't fathom why someone would not, so you just make up shite to fit your world view. I explained quite simply and my reasons and SFP's have nothing to do with anything you are saying.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:43 pm to
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There's a reason every other sport in the NCAA uses playoffs.


money?

and does every other sport use playoffs?
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 5:44 pm to
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that's because you are clearly extremely close minded.


Omg pot meet kettle.

Say it with me: playoffs are used everywhere except in the BCS. Everywhere. And no one anywhere is saying "Gee, I wish we had a system like the BCS."

There's a reason for that.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:04 pm to
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Omg pot meet kettle.


do you even understand what you are saying? Me thinks not.

I stated my preference for limited playoffs and btw the BCS CG is by definition a playoff game, 2 teams play, the winner is the the champion. I am not making judgements on people who do favor multi round, extended playoffs. You on the other hand are and worse you are accusing us of things we never said because its what you think.
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Say it with me: playoffs are used everywhere except in the BCS. Everywhere. And no one anywhere is saying "Gee, I wish we had a system like the BCS.


what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The biggest reason, especially in pro sports is playoffs generate more revenue. I think a playoff in college football would generate tons of revenue, more than the BCS, so what?
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 6:05 pm
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:06 pm to
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I think a playoff in college football would generate tons of revenue, more than the BCS, so what?


So more money and a better way to determine a champion is a win-win.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 6:28 pm to
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So more money and a better way to determine a champion is a win-win.


I don't get any of the money and I don't think its a "better" way to determine a champion. If more is better, why not expand March Madness to 128? Why not expand the NFL playoffs to 16? That would generate more money too.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 7:12 pm to
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I don't get any of the money


So this is all about...you? good to know.

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I don't think its a "better" way to determine a champion.


We'll have to agree to disagree. I think time is on my side though.

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If more is better, why not expand March Madness to 128? Why not expand the NFL playoffs to 16? That would generate more money too.


I never said it was all about money.

Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 7:24 pm to
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Sounds like we just need to relegate all of the nonBCS teams to FCS, or FBS2, then.
I wouldn't mind that, but it hasn't happened yet. Until that happens, the teams in those conferences should get an equal chance and not have the whole thing based on opinions.
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but would lose tons of revenue
Maybe but I could still see the big teams playing them in non-conference games. It would be just like LSU playing McNeese State this season. Also, I think separating them would make BCS schools scheduling teams like McNeese State instead of teams like Houston or Southern Miss look even worse.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 7:27 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 8:00 pm to
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So this is all about...you? good to know.


I never said that, but since I don't have a financial stake, I don't have to consider it. For example, I think having 16 teams in the NBA and NHL playoffs is a complete joke, it devalues the regular season. There is very little point in following the regular season in those sports. But from a business perspective, they make a lot of money off playoffs, so if I had a financial stake, I'd be in favor of if for those reasons.
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I think time is on my side though.


How does time favor an opinion? There may be a day when they have a playoff in CFB, it won't bother me, it won't mean I stop watching. I just think its better to reward the best teams that have proven themselves over the course of a season.
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I never said it was all about money.


neither did I. What you guys won't accept is that there is a playoff to determine the NC in CFB, its just only 1 game and the teams that play for the title get there based on what they did all season, not just because they won other specially named games before hand. So all you are talking about is playing more playoff games, so if that is better, why is it not better to expand the playoffs even more? Just because a team goes 6-10 in the NFL doesn't mean they can't step up and win when it counts right?
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 8:05 pm to
What the playoff opponents won't accept is that there are already playoffs in college football and they work just fine. There is literally no controversy about the FCS champion.

This is the future for the BCS schools as well. And deep in their hearts, if they are actually honest with themselves, most people know this.

The only question is when. Not if.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 8:27 pm to
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What the playoff opponents won't accept is that there are already playoffs in college football and they work just fine. There is literally no controversy about the FCS champion.


Dude, for like the 50th fricking time, no one said playoffs don't work or are not feasible. Me and SFP would rather reward teams that prove themselves over the course of a long season, not just teams that get hot at the end, that's it.

Even controversy is a matter of opinion. The only real controversy in the BCS era is 2003 and if the current formula was used then, there wouldn't have been a controversy that year. LSU and USC would have played, LSU would have won and been National Champs.

By contrast, I think its a controversy (or a joke) when a team like the 2007 Giants win the SB.
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