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re: Boise State's Bowl Record since 2004

Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:39 pm to
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:39 pm to
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no but that's not the point. OU only won the Big 12 because McCoy git hut and UT lost their last 2, not because OU was terrible good necessarily


SO LSU BACKED into BOTH NC games???? OU still had to WIN every game they played. McCoy getting hurt improved the chances of them winning said games??? Its also like saying OU was a paper NC cause Bradford got hurt, Cause if he didn't they would have won it all.
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:39 pm to
Somebody somewhere has to decide that a win over Team A is better than a win over Team B. This goes on even in the sport that all the playoff advocates point to as the poster-child for a CFB playoff, NCAA basketball.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:40 pm to
The NCAA basketball playoff system sucks, although it can be exciting.

Better than the BCS, though. You can't go 33-0 in the regular season and still be told "too bad."
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 3:41 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:41 pm to
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I never said we were better than Florida that year


But you said a team that doesn't win its conference is not the best team in the conference, by that logic the team that did win the conference is the best team.
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so why should they be named the best team in the nation?


they were not.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:42 pm to
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they were not.
OK, so what's the problem?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:42 pm to
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So how is how good each team you beat determined?

regression analysis

wins/losses

wins/losses of their opponents

wins/losses of these opponents' opponents

you get a really good picture of things by going to this level

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Is a 13-0 dominant defensive win better than a 55-42 overtime thriller?

assuming the parallel teams are even, a 3 point win is a 3 point win and a 13 point win is a 13 point win

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Is every game going to be given a crowd coefficient?

i've yet to decide on how to measure this

had LSU gone undefeated in 2006, they would be one of the most impressive teams ever with that schedule, esp the road games

i have not figured how to reflect this on paper objectively

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You're the one arguing that undefeated teams should be given no shot.

if they had a shite schedule and beat patsies

that's why this is only 1 part of the formula

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What "objective math formula" should be used to determine all this.

well you can split SOS into 2 parts, with total SOS and top 1/4 SOS

SOS is determined the same way as above

opponent's wins
their opponents' wins
their opponents' wins

then do the same thing with records against the top 1/3 of the schedule

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so is 13-0 the same as 55-42 in OT?

13-0 is much better. an OT game ended as a tie in regulation. the 13-0 game had a victory
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:42 pm to
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SO LSU BACKED into BOTH NC games???? OU still had to WIN every game they played. McCoy getting hurt improved the chances of them winning said games??? Its also like saying OU was a paper NC cause Bradford got hurt, Cause if he didn't they would have won it all.


dude, none of that matters. He was talking about 1 specific game, the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. BSU beat OU, and he is saying OU was not that good that year and where only in the game to begin with because Texas lost after McCoy got hurt.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:43 pm to
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Better than the BCS, though. You can't go 33-0 in the regular season and still be told "too bad."

you can also have an 8 seed, who clearly is not the best team in the country, win the title
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:44 pm to
BSU 43, OU 42. Utah 31, Alabama 17. Who's next?

More importantly, who will get a fair chance?

Non-BCS schools can compete and win if given a shot. Imagine if they had a fair chance every year. And recruits knew that from day one.

Suddenly, you've got a wide open anything goes college football season and championship that looks strangely like March Madness.

Yee ha!

Posted by dukke v
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Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:45 pm to
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OU was not that good that year and where only in the game to begin with because Texas lost after McCoy got hurt.


You don't KNOW THIS!!!!OU WAS very good that year. JUST not that night...... OR WAS BOISE JUST THAT GOOD???? THINK ABOUT IT!! Look at OU'S stats from that year and tell me they sucked.
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
101750 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:46 pm to
Are there currently any math formulas that use the regression analysis? If there is more than one that uses this, then why do they end up with different polls? Also, adding the scores of the game is a little silly. How many times have you heard the phrase "much closer than the score" or "not as close as the score would indicate"?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:46 pm to
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BSU 43, OU 42. Utah 31, Alabama 17. Who's next?

wow

y'all have no respect for the true pioneer



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More importantly, who will get a fair chance?

non-BCS schools already have an easier road to BCS money (money they did not help create, mind you)

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Imagine if they had a fair chance every year.

imagine if they had to play 10 BCS schools in the regular season instead of 1 or 2
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:46 pm to
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OK, so what's the problem?


It would be a travesty if a team like 05 FSU or 01 LSU won a NC while teams like 01 Nebraska or 05 tOSU say don't even get a shot because they did not win their conference.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:47 pm to
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Better than the BCS, though. You can't go 33-0 in the regular season and still be told "too bad."


Where is the justice in the 8th team from the Big East getting in over the 2nd team from the Big Sky conference when the Big Sky 2nd place team had a better record?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:47 pm to
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Suddenly, you've got a wide open anything goes college football season

this will never happen without destroying CFB

there is only so much money to go around

if you spread it around, everyone just ends up crappier, with fewer horrible teams

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that looks strangely like March Madness.

march madness frickin sucks
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Member since Sep 2003
31586 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:49 pm to
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Suddenly, you've got a wide open anything goes college football season


Where the regular season is completely meaningless because you can lose 3 games and still play for the NC. No thanks.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:50 pm to
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Where the regular season is completely meaningless because you can lose 3 games and still play for the NC.

there is a reason why CFB, and not CBB, supports every athletic department worth supporting (the rest due it by fees)
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61006 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:51 pm to
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there is a reason why CFB, and not CBB, supports every athletic department worth supporting (the rest due it by fees)


because FB is a much more popular sport
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:53 pm to
All I'm hearing from the playoff opponents is "Change is bad, brah."

Again, playoffs work fine in every other NCAA sport. It even works fine for the FCS. It's almost exactly the same system college players will see in the NFL.

The BCS blows. You guys get your head out of your arses so you can see it, too.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:54 pm to
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All I'm hearing from the playoff opponents is "Change is bad, brah."

then you're not listening

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Again, playoffs work fine in every other NCAA sport.

not college basketball

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It's almost exactly the same system college players will see in the NFL.

an inferior system

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The BCS blows.

not true
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