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re: Boise State's Bowl Record since 2004

Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:55 pm to
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because FB is a much more popular sport


And college football in particular where there are elimination games starting the first week of the season. It is already essentially a 12 week playoff.
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:55 pm to
Dangit, I ruined this entire thread.
This post was edited on 8/7/10 at 3:59 pm
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 3:57 pm to
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All I'm hearing from the playoff opponents is "Change is bad, brah.


I have yet to see an argument against a playoff in this thread using the reasoning that "change is bad".

It is only your opinion that a playoff works well in every other sport. I don't really think the bball tournament is all that great. What they should do is take the Top 16 teams and play best of 3 or 5 series to get it truly right.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:04 pm to
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All I'm hearing from the playoff opponents is "Change is bad, brah."


then it must be you with the cranial rectal inversion.
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Again, playoffs work fine in every other NCAA sport. It even works fine for the FCS


depends on how you define works fine. I'm not saying it could not be done, just I prefer smaller playoffs.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:06 pm to
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And college football in particular where there are elimination games starting the first week of the season.


actually the NFL is more popular than college
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:07 pm to
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I have yet to see an argument against a playoff in this thread using the reasoning that "change is bad".


Because you guys are doing everything but say it.

Everything that is being said against "major" college football playoffs was also said about basketball playoffs at one time. Almost word for word.

And if that isn't bad enough, any argument the playoff opponents might have had is completely invalidated by the success of the FCS playoffs.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:08 pm to
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And if that isn't bad enough, any argument the playoff opponents might have had is completely invalidated by the success of the FCS playoffs.

yeah that 1 or 2 games on ESPN = success
Posted by Tiger in NY
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:10 pm to
My apologies, I was comparing to college ball, but that was unclear
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:11 pm to
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And if that isn't bad enough, any argument the playoff opponents might have had is completely invalidated by the success of the FCS playoffs.


wow, reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit.

No one is saying a FBS play off was infeasible or would not be financially successful.

The point we are making is we'd rather see a team that proved it self over the course of an entire season win the title and not a team that got hot and won a few games at the end. This is what happens with the BCS.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:12 pm to
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yeah that 1 or 2 games on ESPN = success


Anyone who measures success in relation to ESPN is not a "true" LSU fan.

SWIDT?



Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:13 pm to
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My apologies, I was comparing to college ball, but that was unclear


gotcha, that's what I meant, FB is the most popular sport in America. At all levels over other sports
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:15 pm to
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This is what happens with the BCS.


There are players, and there are "money players". If you can win when the chips are all on the table, you deserve to be called champion.

Playoffs are the best way to determine that championship IMO.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61006 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:17 pm to
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There are players, and there are "money players".

not really, this is just a ad hoc kind of argument.

Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:22 pm to
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not really, this is just a ad hoc kind of argument.


Not at all. Personal observation on a daily basis. I've seen any number of people who can make awesome pool shots or play light-out at poker when little or no money is involved.

Only a very few that do the same for high stakes. It's not something you can teach IMO. Either you have it or you don't.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61006 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:33 pm to
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Not at all. Personal observation on a daily basis. I've seen any number of people who can make awesome pool shots or play light-out at poker when little or no money is involved.


That anecdotal evidence and you are also talking about rank amateurs. In poker, the skill is knowing how to read people. What cards you get is pure luck.

In team sports flukes can happen, I'd prefer to limit the chances lesser teams get hot and win a few games at the end.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:35 pm to
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In team sports flukes can happen, I'd prefer to limit the chances lesser teams get hot and win a few games at the end.


Winning a game when everything is on the line >>>> regular season game.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:38 pm to
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Winning a game when everything is on the line >>>> regular season game.


That;'s just a circular argument.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:42 pm to
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That;'s just a circular argument.


It's the only argument that matters. The two are not, and never were, the same.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476332 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:46 pm to
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It's the only argument that matters.

it's not a real argument

it's perspective bias from growing up in a playoff-centric society. these terms (like clutch) are thrown around

statistical data has shown there is no such thing as "clutch," yet people swear it exists
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61006 posts
Posted on 8/7/10 at 4:47 pm to
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It's the only argument that matters. The two are not, and never were, the same.


do you even know what you are talking about? You saying a team that wins a specially named game is the best team because they won that game. Thats just stupid.

Georgetown and Villanova played 4 times in 1985 Georgetown won 3. In the 4th Villanova played out of their minds, shooting over 60% for the game, 9 of 11 in the 2nd half and still only won by 2. You can say what ever stupid cliche you want, to suggest they won because they were money players is like saying they won because they wore certain color socks or had magic fairy dust. But convincing people what you said is true is great for marketing purposes. Does make the team that won better.
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