re: Ben Watson Agrees With Jemele Hill Regarding HBCU's

Yes only bc the numbers are much greater and there are a few excellent schools such as Howard

Many of the AA’s at these white schools are here for sports many don’t give a shite about graduation if they go pro

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cade73

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low IQ, part of the problem.

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Here is a start

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What a complete joke.Facts??

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The report, which was prepared by nonprofit student loan guarantor USA Funds, included responses from alumni who graduated between 1940 and 2011. Gallup said the sample size was not large enough to examine differences between recent graduates and all respondents.

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Wow!This REALLY proves your point.

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In this comparison, the average graduation rate for black students at HBCUs was 37.8 percent, compared with 32.0 percent for non-HBCUs. 

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Do you really think either of these "studies" validate anything?

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love Ben Watson but where did he go to college? UGA. A top 50 university academically with a top 5 football team. Yet he wants to advocate for kids to forgo a similar opportunity? Definitely comes off as a equality for thee but not for me moment.

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Ben Watson was a 17 or 18 year old making a decision about his future ,but now is a 38 year old man with life experience. You value the decisions of a 17/18 year old kid over the opinions of 38 year old man you claim to respect?

I always get the impression that some people believe that a Colleges like UGA somehow made Ben Watson? Walter Payton / Jerry Rice ( and dozens of other HCBU greats ) didn't need P5 schools to succeed either.

This thread went exactly how I thought it would go.

Payton was from a different, segregated era where there weren’t nearly as many possible landing spots for a black athlete.

Rice and Air McNair were in an era of integration but one where HBCUs were still getting decent talent comparable to other FCS programs.


These days? There aren’t a ton of high picks in FCS, let alone from HBCUs. The last two firsts from HBCUs were Dominique Rogers Cromartie our of Tennessee State and Joe Flacco our of Delaware State.

The ones who tend to get picked high out of those small schools are at positions of extreme need or are athletic freaks.

Watson was a late 1st despite high visibility coming out of Georgia. He goes to a HBCU like Jacksonville St, Florida A and M, or Morehouse and he likely slips 1-2 rounds if not more.

That’s not denigrating his talent as much as pointing out that playing on TV every week against high level opponents gets you on scouts’ radars easier and gives them more film to work with.

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New Gallup-Purdue University report says black students are more likely to feel supported and be engaged in work after graduation if they attend historically black colleges and universities.

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From your first link. Feelings? Oh because they went to a HBCU the graduates are more engaged at work?

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HBCUs Graduate More Poor Black Students Than White Colleges

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And the headline of your other article. None of which state actually how successful they are or how good/valuable they are

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FightnBobLafollette

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the oweo of political and msb boards

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Rice and Air McNair were in an era of integration but one where HBCUs were still getting decent talent comparable to other FCS programs.

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It shows that if high level talent goes to HCBUs scouts will find them. Despite zero television time Black Colleges had 3 top 10 picks ( 4 top 20) in the 1975 NFL draft :

Payton-4th pick
Robert Brazile- 6th / JSU
"Big Hands" Johnson- 8th / Grambling
Hollywood Henderson- 18tn pick/Langston

Despite no television the SWAC conference had 3 top 10 picks in 1975 all ahead of anyone from TV Titans like Notre Dame, 2x Champs Oklahoma, USC, Nebraska, Heisman winner, Alabama, Ohio State , Michigan ,etc....

NFL Scouts follow talent & if talent went to HCBUs they descend upon them like cock roaches. Television is near irrelevant.

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Payton was from a different, segregated era where there weren’t nearly as many possible landing spots for a black athlete.

Rice and Air McNair were in an era of integration but one where HBCUs were still getting decent talent comparable to other FCS programs.

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And ? Payton thrived despite missing these so called " better opportunities" at non HCBUS . Payton also went to an integrated High School ,was an Mississippi All state performer etc...

Many of Paytons African American peers or (near peers ) littered non Black Universities in the early / mid 70's 70"s : Gregg Pruiit, Johnny Rogers , Archie Griffin, Joe Washington, Earl Campbell....( Not even including the obvious West Coasters like Chuck Muncie, Cunningham,Anthony Davis ,etc..)

Yet Payton thrived & needed those large universities no more than the above players did.