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re: Baseball Hall of Fame Announcement Thread- Bagwell, Raines, Pudge Elected to HOF

Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:37 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85090 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:37 pm to
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its a joke that people cant realize the difference between Clemens and Bonds & their lying to congress about steroid use and with Pudge who has never been a confirmed user, only suspected.


Why does that matter to the writers? That is my issue with the writers in the first place. Their ego prevents them from doing their job. Schilling is a perfect example.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278549 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:42 pm to
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Why does that matter to the writers? That is my issue with the writers in the first place. Their ego prevents them from doing their job. Schilling is a perfect example.




Schilling is different.

Pudge has never officially been caught or admitted to using steroids, like Bonds and Clemens. Same with Piazza. Same with Bagwell.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:45 pm to
PUDGE
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
21560 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:46 pm to
Anyone else notice Gammons rocking tennis shoes and white socks with the suit?
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:48 pm to
Gammons gives no fricks anymore
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85090 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:48 pm to
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Pudge has never officially been caught or admitted to using steroids, like Bonds and Clemens. Same with Piazza. Same with Bagwell.


I get that, but I don't see how that matters to the supposed expert writers. If steroid use is a big enough reason to keep Bonds and Clemens out, then I don't see how you can overlook the circumstantial evidence with Pudge and put him in on the first ballot. The inconsistency is what pisses me off about the HOF.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278549 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:52 pm to
i dont think its that egregious. I find myself agreeing with that line of thinking. I think its a lot easier to say. Its a pretty hard decision
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:52 pm to
Is Mussina really a HOFer?
Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:54 pm to
Geaux 'Stros.

Happy for Bagwell.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278549 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:54 pm to
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Tyler Kepner ?@TylerKepner 13m13 minutes ago
Tyler Kepner Retweeted Jon Heyman
Incredible: Pudge is the first HOFer who has played even one game for the Tigers since 1974.



this is crazy

anyone know the next longest drought?
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
66458 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:56 pm to
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I feel like almost anyone with a B name in that era was lumped in at some point. I think I can remember hearing Sean Berry and Tim Bogar being referred to as part of them


this
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
11278 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:12 pm to
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how you can overlook the circumstantial evidence with Pudge and put him in on the first ballot.


About 50% of voters wanted Pudge, Clemens & Bonds.
25% Didn't vote for any of the 3
25% voted for Pudge, but not Clemens or Bonds.

Your issue is with about 25% of the writers.
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
4740 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:17 pm to
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feel like almost anyone with a B name in that era was lumped in at some point.


Fact:
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:19 pm to
Tim Raines better go in as an Expo
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47711 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:21 pm to
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Sammy Sosa- 8.6%
HOF in my heart though
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68369 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:28 pm to
quote:

Is Mussina really a HOFer?


He played for the Yankees, didn't he?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85090 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:33 pm to
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Your issue is with about 25% of the writers.


I know.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:34 pm to
Pudge just said, "only God knows" when asked about it. He has been linked by Canseco who turned out pretty accurate.
I also thought Pudge had his name pop up on another report as well?
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:36 pm to
Yes he is...
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:40 pm to
But...why?

He won 20 games once. He played his entire career on dominant teams with awesome offenses. He was never a top five pitcher in baseball. He sometimes wasn't even the best pitcher on his own team. His case for the HOF seems similar to Eli to me. Long career where he stayed healthy and accumulated numbers. Big wins.
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