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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:28 am to diremustang
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:28 am to diremustang
We have a lot of names. A lot of them had one or two good months last year. If our guys can give us consistent production, we’ll be awesome. They’re just so damn streaky.
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:37 am to diremustang
Preach, brother.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:37 am to sorantable
If we go into the season with LF platoon of Rosario/Ozuna, either Arcia or Grissom at SS and no real bench to speak of, then I don't really know what we are doing.
Our bullpen took a hit as well with Iglesias presumably going to closer, leaving a hole for the setup role. Matzek is out for the year as well. Joe Jimenez isn't exactly a compelling replacement.
With all of that listed above, it seems like we have to make another move, right? Lux tax be damned.
Our bullpen took a hit as well with Iglesias presumably going to closer, leaving a hole for the setup role. Matzek is out for the year as well. Joe Jimenez isn't exactly a compelling replacement.
With all of that listed above, it seems like we have to make another move, right? Lux tax be damned.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:44 am to Broski
Iglesias, Minter, and Jimenez are the new back 3.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:47 am to sorantable
The Braves will be the favorites in the East even with whatever moves the Phillies or Mets have made. Baseball is all about pitching and the Braves have the starters and pen to outlast a 162 game season. The playoffs are a total crapshoot as evidenced by the Braves and Dodgers being sent home by teams who got hot.
I agree the Phillies fans can be excited. Turner is a heck of a player. But they have 2 holes on offense like the Braves but their starters aren’t nearly as good as a group and the pen isn’t really close. They are hoping Bohm and Marsh can figure it out just like the Braves are hoping whoever plays short and LF can figure it out. Contreras at DH will be solid. And to do what they did without a real Acuna and an injured Álbies tells me when those 2 get right we’ll be fine.
I agree the Phillies fans can be excited. Turner is a heck of a player. But they have 2 holes on offense like the Braves but their starters aren’t nearly as good as a group and the pen isn’t really close. They are hoping Bohm and Marsh can figure it out just like the Braves are hoping whoever plays short and LF can figure it out. Contreras at DH will be solid. And to do what they did without a real Acuna and an injured Álbies tells me when those 2 get right we’ll be fine.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:48 am to RunningJacket
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and pen
ehhh...
Posted on 12/10/22 at 1:24 pm to Broski
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With all of that listed above, it seems like we have to make another move, right? Lux tax be damned.
You’d think so, but it will probably be another reclamation project.
The Braves under this ownership and AA just do not make “big” free agent signings. You either take a team friendly deal, or they will let you walk. I don’t see how they will re-sign Dansby in this market given their track record.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:29 pm to 21zereaux
I don’t think they ever planned to resign Dansby.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 2:56 pm to sorantable
Me either. And maybe the plan all along was to stay put and hope that Ozzie, a healthy Acuna, and a full season of Harris makes up the 6+ WAR that we’re losing (throwing you Sabermetrics fans a bone here). And that’s a legitimate strategy. Until the other GMs in the NL started spending money like drunken sailors.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:50 pm to Dale Murphy
dansby is not reliable as a 6 WAR player. he averages less than half of that for a full season. he is historically slightly better than average at his position, but some of y'all still think it's negligence for the front office to not offer him the largest or second largest contract in team history
Posted on 12/10/22 at 3:55 pm to diremustang
Posted on 12/10/22 at 4:43 pm to Broski
Just a crazy thought, but wonder if the Marlins would do an Ozuna for Avasail Garcia trade?
Ozuna has two years left at 16 plus a 1 million buyout. Garcia has three at 12 plus a 5 million buyout. Would open up 4 million in payroll space each of the next two seasons for Braves, save the Fish $8 million over the lifetime of the deal.
Ozuna has two years left at 16 plus a 1 million buyout. Garcia has three at 12 plus a 5 million buyout. Would open up 4 million in payroll space each of the next two seasons for Braves, save the Fish $8 million over the lifetime of the deal.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 5:36 pm to diremustang
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dansby is not reliable as a 6 WAR player.
True, but analytics hasn’t figured out a good way to quantify and value leadership.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 5:40 pm to sorantable
Eh, people said the same thing when. Freddie left.
As long as Snit is the manager, leadership won't be a problem in that clubhouse.
As long as Snit is the manager, leadership won't be a problem in that clubhouse.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 5:49 pm to lsusa
Yeah, Dansby is simply not worth what he is going to get. And whoever gets him will know that the first month of the season but they’ll be paying for it for 6-8 years.
Those who don’t think AA won’t trade for a stud or pay a stud must have forgotten about Matt Olson. If Dansby was anywhere near as valuable a player as Olson he would have been locked up way before this season was over or even began. But we’ve all watched him struggle with flashes of All a star play. When you strip away his defense which doesn’t matter in todays game and his Atlanta ties he is an average ball player. Grissom will definitely be a step down this coming season but for the cost difference it’s easily the smart move and isn’t a season breaker.
Those who don’t think AA won’t trade for a stud or pay a stud must have forgotten about Matt Olson. If Dansby was anywhere near as valuable a player as Olson he would have been locked up way before this season was over or even began. But we’ve all watched him struggle with flashes of All a star play. When you strip away his defense which doesn’t matter in todays game and his Atlanta ties he is an average ball player. Grissom will definitely be a step down this coming season but for the cost difference it’s easily the smart move and isn’t a season breaker.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 5:52 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Eh, people said the same thing when. Freddie left.
As long as Snit is the manager, leadership won't be a problem in that clubhouse.
You literally said when Freddie left, that Dansby would take over the leadership role for Freddie and that AA would extend him because of that.
How many times can you talk out of both sides of your mouth on here?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 5:58 pm to diremustang
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some of y'all still think it's negligence for the front office to not offer him the largest or second largest contract in team history
Who has said this?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 6:03 pm to Dale Murphy
Yeah, literally no one said sign Dansby at all costs. All anyone is asking is to not cut costs for the sake of cutting costs, which is what we would be doing if we roll with Arcia/Grissom at SS.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 8:09 pm to RunningJacket
Where to begin?
He under-performed last year by every metric. I’m sure he will do better when the shift is somewhat prevented, but he is not the caliber of player we had at 1st before him at this time.
So defense doesn’t matter nowadays at SS? I would say you were an alter or a troll, but either you are playing the long game and trolling with an account from 2008 and 24 posts, or you don’t watch much baseball, or you have lost your mind. Regardless, and it is a shame anyone has to say this, defense matters a metric frick-ton.
Literally no one in this thread has said to overpay or break the bank for Dansby.
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Those who don’t think AA won’t trade for a stud or pay a stud must have forgotten about Matt Olson.
He under-performed last year by every metric. I’m sure he will do better when the shift is somewhat prevented, but he is not the caliber of player we had at 1st before him at this time.
quote:If he was willing to let himself get fricked by AA for a “team friendly” deal he would have signed, yep. “Team friendly” is another term for getting fricked by management.
If Dansby was anywhere near as valuable a player as Olson he would have been locked up way before this season was over or even began
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When you strip away his defense which doesn’t matter in todays game and his Atlanta ties he is an average ball player
So defense doesn’t matter nowadays at SS? I would say you were an alter or a troll, but either you are playing the long game and trolling with an account from 2008 and 24 posts, or you don’t watch much baseball, or you have lost your mind. Regardless, and it is a shame anyone has to say this, defense matters a metric frick-ton.
Literally no one in this thread has said to overpay or break the bank for Dansby.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 8:10 pm to Broski
How much longer am I gonna live rent free in your head?
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