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re: ATL Thread | offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:15 pm to VADawg
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:15 pm to VADawg
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I thought there was a decent chance he would play some left field for the Braves this season.
I think Malloy was still more than a year away. And while he was our best hitting prospect, it's not like he was some can't miss guy, he is still very much a work in progress who is projecting as a 4th outfielder longterm.
I don't like the trade either, but I think we're overselling Malloy's worth a tad. Still probably could've waited and got something better at the deadline or next offseason.
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Posted on 12/8/22 at 7:55 pm to sorantable
F all the haters
We need to realize the greatness that is AA, locking up the core of our team before this madness started
Brandon fricking Nemo making 20 million a year? What a joke
We need to realize the greatness that is AA, locking up the core of our team before this madness started
Brandon fricking Nemo making 20 million a year? What a joke
Posted on 12/8/22 at 8:34 pm to LCLa
Looks like they gonna need to spend some to eventually be in the top 5 payroll. Damn Mets, Pads, and Phillies are making that a lofty goal.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 8:36 pm to LCLa
Some of you are way overvaluing Malloy. Why is anyone surprised the Braves haven’t and may not make big moves? When have they ever? Even last year when they got Olson it was a trade and not a signing. Dansby can decide if he wants to stay home and win or go somewhere else. That’s not on the Braves. The Braves have a lot of flexibility since they aren’t saddled with huge contracts. Everyone is lamenting the Ozuna deal and it is nothing compared to what the Mets and Phillies are facing their future. As for next year, it always comes down to who gets hot at the right time. You can spend all day long in December but that doesn’t mean you won’t get bounced in October.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 8:50 pm to RunningJacket
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Why is anyone surprised the Braves haven’t and may not make big moves?
Maybe not surprised. But still hoping for one. And while I fully agree that the hottest team usually wins, you can still set yourself up as having a better chance of being hot. Both NLCS teams have gotten much better without losing anything of value. The Mets have basically stayed even but still looking for more. Dodgers and the Braves are the only playoff teams in the NL that haven’t made big moves and you know the Dodgers are gonna end up throwing a boat load of cash at someone soon.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 9:48 pm to RunningJacket
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You can spend all day long in December but that doesn’t mean you won’t get bounced in October.
That is an oversimplification. Granted, no one knows who will or will not win next October/November. There are teams who are setting themselves up for a run, now. An example:
Padres
C Austin Nola
1B Jake Cronenworth
2B Ha-Seong Kim
3B Manny Machado
SS Xander Bogaerts
LF Fernando Tatis Jr
CF Trent Grisham
RF Juan Soto
DH TBD
With an owner who has said this:
quote:
“I kind of like spending money,” Seidler said with a grin. “You can’t take it with you.”
This is what the Braves are up against. When the Padres eventually crash and burn with an out of control payroll there will just be some other team willing to do what they did. In order to successfully compete with an All-Star roster like that you are going to need players better than Robbie Grossman. I’m not saying break the bank, but for frick’s sake, spend some money on a good player and stop the reclamation projects.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 9:55 pm to LCLa
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We need to realize the greatness that is AA,
It's weird how this board deify's him. He's a good GM, but heaven forbid someone points out his blindspots.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 7:49 am to RunningJacket
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The Braves have a lot of flexibility since they aren’t saddled with huge contracts
These extensions are all backloaded though and this team is going to need cheap pre arb players to fill roster spots soon. This felt like the kind of trade you make if you're in the last year of a contention window (or if they think Malloy's stock is about to tank for whatever reason). I don't think that's where the Braves are.
To be clear, my complaints with this deal have nothing to do with Joe Jiminez himself. It seems like he had a good season last year (although his career numbers are bad enough to wonder if that was sustainable), but this could have been one year of Edwin Diaz and I don't think I'd have liked it.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:07 am to VADawg
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This felt like the kind of trade you make if you're in the last year of a contention window (or if they think Malloy's stock is about to tank for whatever reason
The Braves are usually right when they deal prospects in these type of deals. They don't normally pan out.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:14 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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They don't normally pan out.
Most don't pan out for any team, regardless if they're traded or not. I think the issue here is most people aren't impressed by Jimenez and think Malloy could/should have brought more in return.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:18 am to Dale Murphy
I was listening to a show last night and the host was really big on Jimenez. He brought out 2 sets of numbers from last year. The first set was Minter 's, the 2nd was Jimenez 's. And they were nearly identical. His fIP was very good. We have to remember that the Tigers aren't a very good team and one of AA's strong points is hitting on bullpen arms.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:55 am to Broski
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It's weird how this board deify's him. He's a good GM, but heaven forbid someone points out his blindspots.
He should get a lot of brownie points for locking all the young talent up, but some context most of us are ignoring with those deals:
a) Liberty Media's ownership means we offer deals early for a big discount or we possibly/probably let guys walk if they continue on their current career trajectories. I don't think we ever see this ownership do a Trea Turner type deal (in terms of being top-ish of the market, money wise we will get there eventually with someone just due to inflation of contract values). Riley, Strider, Harris, Fried, Ronald, and Ozzie would get massive deals if we let them hit UFA and thats why we didn't/won't in the future just use the cap space spent on these early extensions on making the team even more stacked in the short term at the risk of losing them long term.
b) We haven't had one of these deals backfire on us yet. Acuna might never really be right for a full season again (I don't think this is the case, but it is possible). Guys can get hurt, guys can have a Jason Heyward type career arc with their best season/one of their best seasons in year 1 and never play up to even a discounted deal, etc. And we might just get super lucky and have all of these guys be amazing for years, who knows.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 9:57 am to TrussvilleTide
Give me Rodon and Duval back in left and let's roll.
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Posted on 12/9/22 at 10:14 am to McGregor
Why try to sign a guy like Rodon when we already have a stud like Charlie Morton signed for only $20MM AAV?!
This post was edited on 12/9/22 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:07 am to sorantable
serviceable players with the potential to contribute in the postseason who have signed contracts this offseason for less AAV than Uncle Charlie:
outfielders:
M Haniger - 3YR
J Pederson - 1YR
starting pitchers:
M Perez - 1YR
T Walker - 4YR
J Taillon - 4YR
Z Eflin - 3YR
J Quintana - 2YR
A Heaney - 2YR
M Clevinger - 1YR
T Anderson - 3YR
K Gibson - 1YR
M Boyd - 1YR
Most of these aren’t even long contracts. Sorry for being dramatic, but WTF are we doing?
outfielders:
M Haniger - 3YR
J Pederson - 1YR
starting pitchers:
M Perez - 1YR
T Walker - 4YR
J Taillon - 4YR
Z Eflin - 3YR
J Quintana - 2YR
A Heaney - 2YR
M Clevinger - 1YR
T Anderson - 3YR
K Gibson - 1YR
M Boyd - 1YR
Most of these aren’t even long contracts. Sorry for being dramatic, but WTF are we doing?
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:11 am to McGregor
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Give me Rodon and Duval back in left and let's roll.
Going with the three-man infield?
Bold strategy
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:59 am to LCLa
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Brandon fricking Nemo making 20 million a year? What a joke
It's not being a hater to be able to realize AA has done a bunch of good things and still be able to recognize when we make moves that don't make as much sense.
The fact that Nimmo is getting eight years at 20 mil is one of the reasons it's a poor idea to trade a guy like Malloy for one year of a reliever (particularly when that reliever has only had one good year in his career).
While Malloy is unlikely to be any sort of star, he has a solid chance to be a Nimmo type hitter in the corner OF, which has a large amount of value (particularly when we are running scrubs like Rosario and Ozuna out there).
On the flip side AA hasn't missed on a Braves hitting prospect yet, so we'll see how it turns out.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:13 pm to auyushu
At this point do any of you believe that Dansby will be the Braves starting shortstop next year? I don't see it personally.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:14 pm to 21zereaux
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Going with the three-man infield?
there's options on the team now. come on man.
Posted on 12/9/22 at 12:15 pm to 21zereaux
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At this point do any of you believe that Dansby will be the Braves starting shortstop next year?
I do not. The Braves are going to have to trade for someone, which is part of why I'm surprised that they flipped their top position player prospect for one year of a middle reliever with a lot more bad than good on his resume.
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