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Are NBA players more skilled today or is it just a function of defensive rules changes?
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:07 am
Everyone saying 90s teams couldn't compete today got me thinking.
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Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:10 am to The Scofflaw
Definitely more skilled, but today's NBA is probably a product of both what you mentioned.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:12 am to The Scofflaw
League is as deep as it has ever been.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:14 am to The Scofflaw
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or is it just a function of defensive rules changes
Partial Zone defenses created more advantages for defense than anything taken away.
The hand check stuff was basically offset by 10-second rule becoming the 8-second rule, eliminating 20% of the time to cross halfcourt and putting more pressure on the offense.
The partial zone gave defenses all sorts of advantages, though. It frustrated guys like Jordan and other stars of that era and they hated the idea of the NBA adopting it.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:14 am to The Scofflaw
Modern nba are more skilled offensively. But defensively, they are dog shite vs players in the past.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:16 am to crazyLSUstudent
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League is as deep as it has ever been.
This is something oft-forgotten in these era debates.
Development of players is better and the pool is larger, and the result is a smarter, more skilled talent base across the board.
The NBA in the 90s and early 00s had a huge talent issue, in part from over-expansion and the lack of elite international talent at the time. Bill Simmons talks about this all the time. Almost all of those rosters fell off after a few guys and the talent level was just shite.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:22 am to The Scofflaw
There are more offensively skilled players today because that’s what the style calls for. In previous eras there were skilled players but the demand for them wasn’t as great because of how the game was played so there weren’t as many making rosters or being featured. A lot of guys who were specialty players back then would’ve started or played bigger roles in today’s game.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:02 am to PeteRose
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But defensively, they are dog shite vs players in the past.
And I guess NFL defenses are dog shite compared to players of the past as well?
Defending huge swaths of court isn’t any more difficult than simply guarding your man like they did in the past
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:08 am to The Scofflaw
Offense in sports are for ratings
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:34 am to The Scofflaw
It's a bit of both. But it's unquestionable that the league today is a lot more skilled and deeper than the league was then. But then again, one could argue that alot of that comes from lax offensive rules.
Alot of the offensive moves that players today utilize to score a lot of points would have been called travel, carry, etc.
Alot of the offensive moves that players today utilize to score a lot of points would have been called travel, carry, etc.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Development of players is better and the pool is larger, and the result is a smarter, more skilled talent base across the board.
Exactly. This has happened in every major sport except maybe the NFL. That’s why I think this season for Lebron was highly impressive due to the fact that night in night out the level in the NBA is as high as it has ever been and he is old af for a professional athlete
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 11:49 am
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:38 am to The Scofflaw
Any star in any era would compete today, with modern training, gear, and coaching. Your average scrub today is alot better than your average scrub back then.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:43 am to ImJustaBoy
League average FT % is higher than ever so players shoot better than they ever have and with the lack of lumbering bigs the average 5 guys on the court are better ball handlers than ever.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 12:59 pm to Diseasefreeforall
The officiating has decreased some of the physical nature of the game; therefore, promoting more skilled play.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 1:56 pm to The Scofflaw
They can all score the ball effectively and pretty much everybody can shoot now. Leads to more space, which leads to bigger driving lanes, which forces help, which leads to open 3's. The NBA is a drive and kick league and it's not changing anytime soon.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 2:55 pm to Splackavellie
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Definitely more skilled,
More skilled at shooting the three, but not at pick-and-roll, running a fast break or low post moves. And like someone said earlier, certainly not at defense.
But players these days are a biatch at h-o-r-s-e
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:09 pm to The Scofflaw
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defensive rules changes
Those paying attention know that these rules got changed back after the all star break. Touch fouls (and actual fouls) are not being called / overruled on challenge as "marginal contact - no foul" in these playoffs.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:13 pm to thegambler
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More skilled at shooting the three, but not at pick-and-roll, running a fast break or low post moves. And like someone said earlier, certainly not at defense.
players nowadays are definitely more skilled at pick and roll
Posted on 4/30/24 at 3:41 pm to The Scofflaw
I'm super confused. That play happened in 2007. Almost a direct midpoint between 1990 and today. So what is your angle here?
So what is your angle here?Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:05 pm to The Scofflaw
Not more skilled, just different skills. I don’t think players of the 80s and 90s spent a whole lot of time practicing 3 point shots like they do now. Obviously guys like Reggie Miller, Chuck Person, Bird probably did. Now it’s a 3 fest and it’s exciting to watch- for a little while. I miss the days of the 2 person back and forth between Bird and Michale or Magic and Kareem. If you double McHale he kicks it to Bird for the jumper. If you attack Bird, McHale does a double pump spinning fadeaway. Most of all, I miss the midrange jump shot, almost a lost art in todays game
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