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re: Anonymous Coach wonders why Brad Stevens gets so much media love
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:48 am to WB504
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:48 am to WB504
Stevens is a hell of a coach, but the draft picks, players gotten through trades and FA have helped exponentially.
It’s not like he is winning with a bunch of nobody players.
It’s not like he is winning with a bunch of nobody players.
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Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:49 am to WB504
NBA has always been about the players not the coach.
This isn't football.
Magic won an NBA title with Paul Westhead and then asked management to fire him because he thought Westhead was inhibiting him...Lakers fired him after winning a championship...and the Lakers kept on winning without him.
Bird won two NBA titles with KC Jones at the helm.
This was always understood.
Only today's fan is putting coaches on a pedastal.
This isn't football.
Magic won an NBA title with Paul Westhead and then asked management to fire him because he thought Westhead was inhibiting him...Lakers fired him after winning a championship...and the Lakers kept on winning without him.
Bird won two NBA titles with KC Jones at the helm.
This was always understood.
Only today's fan is putting coaches on a pedastal.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:55 am to Jwho77
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But I think many objectively would say that coaching a Horizon League school to two straight national title games is dues-paying these other NBA coaches would not want to try to pull off.
I think the gatekeepers of NBA coaching think you should have to be an assistant for many years then get your shot. It's just the culture I guess.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:55 am to Boomshockalocka
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Casual as can be. he had a coach get hired into a HC job in Borrego, another first runner up in Milwaukee, and another who has had several HC interviews. And that’s not even including Hammond.
+Budenholzer who was his main assistant for years
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:58 am to Goldrush25
NBA coaching circles are the tugboat captains of the professional sports world.
Stevens represents an ideological threat and it probably has these guys concerned.
Stevens represents an ideological threat and it probably has these guys concerned.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 11:59 am to WB504
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but last year you could argue he got outcoached by Fred Hoiberg, coached by (Scott Brooks to a draw, and then the LeBron freight train or whatever.
So last year is brought up for this year?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:00 pm to McCaigBro69
Agreed. I love Stevens and he’s a Top 5 coach in the league.
But it’s not like he’s having to start a bunch of scrubs out there either. Still, making the ECF without Hayward and Kyrie is very impressive
But it’s not like he’s having to start a bunch of scrubs out there either. Still, making the ECF without Hayward and Kyrie is very impressive
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:03 pm to WicKed WayZ
He isn't starting a bunch of scrubs, but he also isn't starting LeBron, KD, or Harden a real superstar. What he is doing is impressive when they lose their two best players during the season. Yea the players playing are not bad but he gets the most out of them.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:24 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Bird won two NBA titles with KC Jones at the helm.
Are you implying that KC Jones was a shitty coach?
Or ... that it really would not have mattered who the Celtics had as HC with that roster?
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:31 pm to WB504
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But he’s like, we all respect Brad, but — and this was about Coach of the Year — and he was like, look,
Sounds more like a 15-year-old girl.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:32 pm to Boomshockalocka
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had a coach get hired into a HC job in Borrego, another first runner up in Milwaukee, and another who has had several HC interviews
so a bunch of people filling the quota for interviews? gotcha... and i didnt say pop nor kerr had bad assistants. I said i have literally heard no one say pop and kerr are good (but they have good assistants) never heard that excuse
This post was edited on 5/23/18 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:34 pm to Goldrush25
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Supposedly many don't like him because he didn't have to "pay his dues" or come up the right way
Damn straight. Boston should have hired Byron Scott instead.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 12:59 pm to Rep520
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It isn't like he's doing this with undrafted FA's. Even without Irving and Hayward, the Celts have some talented guys.
I agree, but taking "some talented guys" to the conference finals (and being up 2-0 against Lebron) is a pretty fricking huge accomplishment, especially considering Irving and Hayward are out.
A lot of this also has to do with them losing their 2nd best player (arguably) and still doing well, then losing their best, and STILL doing this well/going this far. At some point, it has to be coaching.
Is he the greatest coach ever? Who knows...likely not, but time can tell all of that. And obviously the Celtics front office deserves credit as well. But I don't understand why it's such an awful thing to recognize that he's done a pretty damn amazing job with the things that have happened to his team this year. Far better than almost anyone would have bet on after the first week of the season, and even up until a few months ago.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:13 pm to D011ahbi11
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Haralabob Voulgaris
Is pretty much insufferable these days. He's a good mind when he wants to be, but half of his tweets are criticisms of referees and commentators and he acts like a child when people call him out on some of his takes.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
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It’s the height of groupthink to say that Stevens is far and away the best coach.
It really isn't. Ironically, groupthink is exactly why he is far and away the best coach. At the absolute highest level, 29 out of 30 coaches fall for an egregious fallacy of sitting a player with foul trouble. There is absolutely no rational behind it except for it is done by other coaches. If they are that irrational, what makes you think their strategy is any less irrational?
No different than religiously punting on 4th down, just because it was done before the invention of the forward pass. Groupthink allows somebody who resists it to be rational in a sea of irrationality, and thus to have
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:18 pm to Goldrush25
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Some discussion on drive-time Sirius radio suggests that this is a common sentiment among the coaching ranks. Supposedly many don't like him because he didn't have to "pay his dues" or come up the right way.
Sounds like a bunch of jealousy to me.
It's ok because he will start owning all there arses next year.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:20 pm to HotTakeHerald
It is group think. Bc peolple who have no idea about any of the details of his job have come to the conclusion that he is the best bc they have heard others say the same. While those in the business say pump the breaks there are other coaches who are doing it at that level without the praise.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:22 pm to HotTakeHerald
And no 29 of 30 coaches don’t sit players in foul trouble. Brad is not unique. This is the kinda fib that was made up and bought into by those like you who subscribe to the group think.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:27 pm to Boomshockalocka
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And no 29 of 30 coaches don’t sit players in foul trouble. Brad is not unique. This is the kinda fib that was made up and bought into by those like you who subscribe to the group think.
Who else does? Van Gundy of course. He doesn't coach anymore.
Posted on 5/23/18 at 1:32 pm to HotTakeHerald
I don’t know of. any coaches who always sit players in ‘foul trouble’. first define foul trouble. Then show me that certain coaches sub guys out more than Stevens. Anything else is just a made up narrative. the kind that leads to group think. Stevens ain’t unique in how he handles foul trouble ..... I’ll believe it when I see data.
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