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re: Andy Daltons Career Numbers v. Troy Aikman
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:28 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:28 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
TD/INT ratio is shocking for Aikman
Didn’t realize it was that bad
Didn’t realize it was that bad
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 6:50 pm to bbeck
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TD/INT ratio is shocking for Aikman
Not for his era.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:00 pm to Basura Blanco
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Not for his era.
They threw more INTs back then but his Td/Int ratio is pretty bad for being one of the "elite" guys of the 90s.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:25 pm to faraway
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Aikman had the best oline of the 90's and a great defense. easy to play great when you aren't getting touched.
Seriously???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WqZ1hcs1y8
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:36 pm to Ghost of Colby
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The bigger the game, the better he played.
Lol
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:40 pm to dallastigers
Both sides of this debate are kind of right and kind of wrong. Yes it was a different era than today but it was not that different. Main difference wasn't that DBs could maul wide receivers. Main difference was defensive linemen could maul quarterbacks. Also a one to one touchdown to interception ratio was not the norm for the great quarterbacks of that era. Some people making comments here are mistaking the 1990s for the 1960s and 1970s when DBs could clothesline receivers without getting flagged and when it was common for even the great quarterbacks of the time to throw at least as many interceptions as touchdowns. Also Aikman played the prime of his career when teams did not have salary caps. (Not that it would have mattered much for Dalton since the Bengals wouldn't spend money when he was there if there wasn't a cap.) Had he played today he would be playing on a team that could not afford to pay all of the talent those teams had. What it comes down to is Super Bowl wins. Without the three he won Aikman isn't sniffing the Hall of Fame. Dalton is borderline Hall of Fame but probably on the wrong side of the border. Give him one Super Bowl win and he would easily be a Hall of Famer.
BTW anytime anyone wants to go stat geek from the past The Football Database is a great place to go to. It is where I get my geeky stats from previous eras.
BTW anytime anyone wants to go stat geek from the past The Football Database is a great place to go to. It is where I get my geeky stats from previous eras.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 7:55 pm to faraway
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Aikman had the best oline of the 90's and a great defense.
No one, and I mean no one, thought their o-line was great during the time. Then 20 years later, the NFL Network documentary “The Great Wall of Dallas” was released and completely distorted the reality for younger generations. Their best Lineman, Larry Allen, didn’t even become a full time starter until ‘95.
The offensive line was good, but not an all-time great line.
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easy to play great when you aren't getting touched.
Troy Aikman probably took a bigger beating than any QB in NFL history, and that includes the warrior QBs of the 70’s. He got the absolute shite knocked out of him.
His first two years in the league when he was rag dolled weekly, through the Buddy Ryan bounties of the early 90’s, and it continued through the late 90’s as the Cowboys roster fell apart during the early days of free agency.
The distorted re-writing of Troy Aikman’s career is confusing. When he retired everyone acknowledged he was a first ballot, no question HOFer. Twenty-five years later, a few people try to chime in that he was no good.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 8:24 pm to 88Wildcat
You can just go look at passing stats league-wide for the years they played and see that Aikman was far more often in the top 5 of league QB stats than Dalton was in their primes. Dalton had just 1 year (2015) where he was ever top 5 in anything (rating, TD%, and Y/A). And Aikman has hardware to go with it while Dalton is winless in the postseason
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:27 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
The Red Rifle is criminally underrated
Aikman is arguably the most overrated QB ever
When you are surrounded by superstars, it skews everything
Aikman is arguably the most overrated QB ever
When you are surrounded by superstars, it skews everything
Posted on 2/8/24 at 9:50 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
It's almost like it was a different game when Aikman played.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 10:10 pm to TROLA
He was better than average. He was better versus his peers than Andy Dalton. Would he be a HOFer without three SB's, probably not, but he DOES have them. He DID win them. Yes he was on a great team but he was a major part and he performed
Posted on 2/8/24 at 10:14 pm to 88Wildcat
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Yes it was a different era than today but it was not that different. Main difference wasn't that DBs could maul wide receivers. Main difference was defensive linemen could maul quarterbacks.
Offensive coaching and scheming is light years ahead of where it was 20-25 years ago, too. That's the huge difference that never gets discussed.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:19 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Aikman wasn't shite. Best OL in history of game w top rb. All he did was throw bombs or hit Irving in traffic
Posted on 2/8/24 at 11:25 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Andy Dalton was born in 1987...Troy Aikman was born in in 1966.
They played in vastly different leagues...so what's your point?
They played in vastly different leagues...so what's your point?
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 2/9/24 at 1:12 am to deathvalleyfreak43
Aikman era of RB
Dalton era of WR
Dalton era of WR
Posted on 2/9/24 at 7:19 am to Globetrotter747
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Aikman was a good QB. I’m not saying he wasn’t. And he performed well in the playoffs. But there were a lot of lowlights in the ‘89-‘91, ‘96-‘00 years. He was a machine when the Dallas O was in peak form, but he wouldn’t be my choice to carry an undermanned team further than they should go.
He is Joe Flacco
Posted on 2/9/24 at 11:27 am to deathvalleyfreak43
Dalton > Aikman
Posted on 2/9/24 at 12:36 pm to ctiger69
I absolutely hate the Cowboys and I specifically hated those teams. That being said, I watched both guys play and Aikman always looked like a really good QB to me and Dalton looked a middle of the road guy. And I hate saying that.
Posted on 2/9/24 at 1:31 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
now do Andy vs. Terry Bradshaw
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:36 pm to JackVincennes
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That being said, I watched both guys play and Aikman always looked like a really good QB to me
He was talked about being one of the best Qbs in the league during his game telecasts. He was a superstar on a team full of superstars.
Nobody ever said that about Dalton.
Again, how impressive were you in your era and against your peers is the measuring stick...Numbers and stats aren't equal or measurable across generations. This Dalton stat is less an indictment on Aikman and more an indictment of the game today.
This post was edited on 2/9/24 at 2:39 pm
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