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Posted on 7/9/12 at 12:59 am to Hoyt
.339 OBP
.489 Slugging
72.7 Career Fangraphs WAR
60.2 Career Baseball Reference WAR (Which puts him around McCovey)
.489 Slugging
72.7 Career Fangraphs WAR
60.2 Career Baseball Reference WAR (Which puts him around McCovey)
Posted on 7/9/12 at 2:10 am to Hoyt
No
Posted on 7/9/12 at 2:41 am to Hoyt
you didnt mention ALL HIS GOLD GLOVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 7/9/12 at 2:44 am to 1ranter1
Exactly. I don't know why people say no way in hell.
Even in his down year in ATL he still smashed 26 bombs and drove in 90+..
he has what 430 bombs?
he's still only 35 and is finding his bat again. people bash him because he has those 2 really awful seasons but my gosh. he only needs what 20 bombs to 450ish and 70 to 500.
lets go andruw. my fav brave ever. lets just see how his numbers look in the end. heck he catches back on he can always DH towards the back end of career as well.
he was an asbolute joy to watch for an entire decade manning centerfield.
Even in his down year in ATL he still smashed 26 bombs and drove in 90+..
he has what 430 bombs?
he's still only 35 and is finding his bat again. people bash him because he has those 2 really awful seasons but my gosh. he only needs what 20 bombs to 450ish and 70 to 500.
lets go andruw. my fav brave ever. lets just see how his numbers look in the end. heck he catches back on he can always DH towards the back end of career as well. he was an asbolute joy to watch for an entire decade manning centerfield.
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 2:50 am
Posted on 7/9/12 at 2:57 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
I understand what u are saying but we are talking about the HOF here.
I would say no, he is never seriously considered. Just my opinion.
I would say no, he is never seriously considered. Just my opinion.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 3:20 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
He gots too fat.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 6:36 am to Hoyt
uhhh when you're considered the best defensive center fielder for about a 10 year stretch, I'd say that gets you in the hall.
yea he's a .250 hitter who strikes out a lot, but he should get in on his defensive play alone. Add almost 500 HR's when it's all said and done, and you have an easy HOFer
yea he's a .250 hitter who strikes out a lot, but he should get in on his defensive play alone. Add almost 500 HR's when it's all said and done, and you have an easy HOFer
Posted on 7/9/12 at 6:43 am to Hoyt
Chipper can't even hold Andruw's jock
Posted on 7/9/12 at 6:45 am to Hoyt
I'll say yes because of the defense and power. Only 5 all star appearances and only 1 top 5 MVP finish makes it really hard to say yes though.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 6:58 am to ZTiger87
The steriod era killed our perception of him. I wish there was a way to say who was on steriods and who wasn't. I'm not niave enough to think he wasn't. I was a huge fan of his in ATL. If he gets to 500, I'd vote him in on the backing of his D.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:00 am to C
quote:have you ever seen him?
The steriod era killed our perception of him
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:01 am to C
quote:
The steriod era killed our perception of him
I think it was the cheeseburgers, not steroids.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:02 am to Hoyt
Not just no, but frick no.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:05 am to Pilot Tiger
500 hrs during the "Steroid Era"...
Like it or not, that's going to count against him.
Like it or not, that's going to count against him.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:11 am to Sophandros
quote:
500 hrs during the "Steroid Era"...
Like it or not, that's going to count against him.
and I guess defense matters none to anyone in here?
Gold gloves aside, the metrics support that he's probably the 2nd or 3rd best defensive center fielder of ALL TIME. BUT ZOMG he's FAT!!!! :omg:
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 7:12 am
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:15 am to Pilot Tiger
For comparison this player's (both played their first full MLB season in 1997) career stats:
Batting average .285
Home runs 400
Hits 1,856
RBI 1,323
Who is this player???
DAVID ORTIZ
Batting average .285
Home runs 400
Hits 1,856
RBI 1,323
Who is this player???
DAVID ORTIZ
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:16 am to ZTiger87
quote:
I'll say yes because of the defense and power. Only 5 all star appearances and only 1 top 5 MVP finish makes it really hard to say yes though.
I hear you but if he has a decades worth of gold gloves and some how gets to the 500 club I think he gets in on those numbers. Power and Range. Not first ballot by any means.. but eventually.
He is one of the greatest defensive players of all time with home runs. His RBI's have to rank way up there as well. Like I said even in his down years in ATL he still put up the RBI's.
I don't believe he will get to 500, but if he does there's only 25 other players.. ever.. steroid era or not.. and unlike McGuire and Bonds he isn't nearly as directly linked.
If he hits another 10 this season he will only need to average 15 over 4 more seasons.
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 7:19 am
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:18 am to Hoyt
quote:which of the two players has been linked to PEDs???
Who is this player???
DAVID ORTIZ
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:24 am to Pilot Tiger
neither have been directly linked...
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