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An NFL rule that I think is nonsense - forward progress to a receiver
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:45 am
So last night in the Colts vs Broncos game there was a call that got reviewed and overturned that gave Pierce first down yardage because of "forward progress"
Pierce came back to the football and he caught it in mid air and the ball was at the marker when he caught it. However his own momentum coming back to the ball brought him short of the yard to gain.
That seems to go against the spirit of the rule which is to award a runner going up field forward progress.
I see no reason why a WR should be given the benefit of forward progress before contact like this. It's a dumb rule and we have enough rules that benefit the offense.
Pierce came back to the football and he caught it in mid air and the ball was at the marker when he caught it. However his own momentum coming back to the ball brought him short of the yard to gain.
That seems to go against the spirit of the rule which is to award a runner going up field forward progress.
I see no reason why a WR should be given the benefit of forward progress before contact like this. It's a dumb rule and we have enough rules that benefit the offense.
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:47 am to Powerman
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:47 am to Powerman
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That seems to go against the spirit of the rule which is to award a runner going up field forward progress.
Maybe that’s not actually the spirit of the rule.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:48 am to sorantable
Perhaps not
But it wouldn't be considered a catch under any other scenario at that point. If he would have dropped it mid air immediately after catching and before his feet landed it would be called incomplete and not a fumble. I'd argue that he hadn't completed the catch until he was short of the line to gain.
But it wouldn't be considered a catch under any other scenario at that point. If he would have dropped it mid air immediately after catching and before his feet landed it would be called incomplete and not a fumble. I'd argue that he hadn't completed the catch until he was short of the line to gain.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:56 am to Powerman
Forward progress as a whole is a bad rule.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:59 am to Powerman
I agree with you. Should be where the ball is when his feet touch.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:00 pm to Powerman
Allowing a team to kick a FG in OT to tie. No thanks. It’s time to win or lose. Go for it or go home.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:03 pm to McCaigBro69
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Forward progress as a whole is a bad rule.
Completely disagree.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:03 pm to McCaigBro69
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Forward progress as a whole is a bad rule.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:04 pm to McCaigBro69
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Forward progress as a whole is a bad rule.
While it would be entertaining to see DLinemen try and pick up RBs and run them back 20 yards to the end zone for a safety, I think the general idea of forward progress is a good rule. I do, however, agree with the OP that if the player comes back on his own (even the WR catching the ball in the air coming back toward the LOS) it should be where he is tackled.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:05 pm to Powerman
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I see no reason why a WR should be given the benefit of forward progress before contact like this. It's a dumb rule and we have enough rules that benefit the offense
I feel like you can't/shouldn't have this opinion and also be ok with the ball just having to "touch" the goal line for a TD. The play has to end with the ball either touching it or across the line.
As long as you also agree with that, you're at least consistent even if I don't like either of those rules.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:07 pm to McCaigBro69
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Forward progress as a whole is a bad rule.
It’s highly subjective when applied, and often ignored in many instances.
It happens all the time when a ball carrier is trying to get out of bounds to stop the clock. The clock keeps running if the ball carrier is going backwards when he steps out of bounds.
The refs always stop the clock if he’s tackled out of bounds, but it’s a crap shoot where the ball is spotted.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:14 pm to Powerman
I agree that FP should only start where the players feet land.
You don't get forward progress on a catch when a defender pushes you from the air to out of bounds so it's weird you can get it from a catch where you get pushed from the air to behind the line to make a 1st down.
You don't get forward progress on a catch when a defender pushes you from the air to out of bounds so it's weird you can get it from a catch where you get pushed from the air to behind the line to make a 1st down.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:35 pm to Dr RC
Exactly. Out of bounds is the easy hole in the forward progress logic on that catch.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:40 pm to Powerman
Damn.
Matt Ryan completed a forward pass in that game?
I must have missed it…
Matt Ryan completed a forward pass in that game?
I must have missed it…
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:41 pm to Powerman
That was the right call because the receiver was being touched by the DB. Had he not been touch he would not have gotten forward progress and would have been short of a 1st.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:42 pm to slackster
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Exactly. Out of bounds is the easy hole in the forward progress logic on that catch.
The out of bounds line doesn't act like a barrier for the ball to get over though, its a barrier a part of the body has to get over (while that part is on the ground) for it to come into play.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:31 pm to Powerman
Yeah he seemed to be going the wrong direction in that one
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:33 pm to JumpingTheShark
Refs completely suck arse in any sort of true spotting of the football in many instances. They are lazy and just assume shite.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 6:28 pm to Powerman
Lots of rules in football make no sense. It takes 2 steps, a football move and surviving the ground to establish possession but the receiver gets forward progress from the ball’s location the split second it hits his hands? It’s nonsensical.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 6:31 pm
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