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re: Albert Pujols is worst player in baseball

Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by JasonMason
Memphis
Member since Jun 2009
4917 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:10 pm to
The dude is 37 and has had nagging injuries the second half of his career. What do you expect out of players at that age? He's got over 600 HR and another season away from reaching 3k hits.
Posted by Jamohn
Das Boot
Member since Mar 2009
13592 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:12 pm to
It's not uncanny at all for a player to decline in his (alleged) mid-to-late 30s. A player who rose to prominence 16 years ago and was awesome 8 years ago isn't awesome anymore? No shite.

The contract, however, is totally worthy
Posted by Mr. Elvert
Dallas
Member since Oct 2012
15323 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:16 pm to
Between signing Pujols, Hamilton, and doosh Wilson not sure wtf the Angels were thinking
Posted by JasonMason
Memphis
Member since Jun 2009
4917 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:23 pm to
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Between signing Pujols, Hamilton, and doosh Wilson not sure wtf the Angels were thinking


Yep. This is one of those examples of how it's not wise to try and strictly buy a championship. It's a crap shoot, and if you make the wrong moves, it haunts you much longer than trying to build mostly from within your system.
Posted by Jamohn
Das Boot
Member since Mar 2009
13592 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 1:49 pm to
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Between signing Pujols, Hamilton, and doosh Wilson not sure wtf the Angels were thinking

Did Drayton McLane secretly buy the Angels when we weren't looking?
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26099 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 2:40 pm to
quote:

Dude is 37 not a Barry Bonds 37 but a reality 37


I, for one, don't believe he is that young. I'm not sure why anyone else believes he is.
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 2:42 pm
Posted by LSU-MNCBABY
Knightsgate
Member since Jan 2004
25159 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 2:48 pm to
Best decision ever made by a team in sports was the cardinals letting him walk.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149487 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:06 pm to
The cardinals were about to sign him
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 3:17 pm to
If the Angles simply moved him to a corner OF slot, his WAR would increase to about -0.8. Still bad, but at least not so horrific. It also shows how usage dependent WAR is, much like RBI.
Posted by grape nutz
sesame street
Member since Mar 2006
3706 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 5:49 pm to
If only he could play against the Astros every game he'd probably be underpaid.
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
11514 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 6:07 pm to
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If the Angles simply moved him to a corner OF slot, his WAR would increase to about -0.8. Still bad, but at least not so horrific. It also shows how usage dependent WAR is, much like RBI.


I think his WAR would be even lower playing corner OF. He would get a positive positional adjustment, but his defensive metrics would likely be so terrible in the OF it would cancel that out and probably even take his WAR further down. For example, WAR penalized Mark Trumbo more for playing horrendous corner OF than David Ortiz for DH-ing last year.
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 6:09 pm
Posted by SEC. 593
Chicago
Member since Aug 2012
4351 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 6:12 pm to
I believe he also has a 10 year personal service contract with the Angels. He ain't coming back until he is 55.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 6:15 pm to
Yeah not sure where this "they let him walk" came from the Cardinals from all reports came in with a 20m a year offer. The Angels just came in with GOD money and he took it
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
19049 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 7:57 pm to
"It's not rocky sci (rocket science)" he once said when explaining his contract dilemma a few years ago.
Posted by charmander
Member since Dec 2014
137 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 12:10 am to
you are aware that he's 37 right? You are making it sound like he was some bum player. He was already a hall of famer by 30.
Posted by CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Member since Dec 2014
18221 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:19 am to
They still offered $200M for him. But there's always a sucker team, and the Angels were it. So they were lucky the Angels outbid them.
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5570 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:11 am to
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you are aware that he's 37 right? You are making it sound like he was some bum player. He was already a hall of famer by 30.



I mean, there's other guys out there that are his age or older and, statistically, he's worse than all of them.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103533 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:18 am to
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I would say defense kills him but this year a -1.8 offensive WAR and -1.2 Defensive WAR according to baseball reference


Well, he's only played 6 games in the field this season. Having a -1.2 dWAR in 6 games is really really impressive.
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
79321 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 8:32 am to
Funny enough, he hit two bombs last night.


Todd Zeile was my first favorite Cardinal and will always be my sentimental #1, but I'm so glad I got to watch the entirety of Pujols' career and it was a blast. Got to witness him hitting two homers at Turner during his rookie year. A beast even then. Of course I wish he could have finished his career here, but I'm glad that deal never went through. It was clear he was on the downslope of his career before he left and that contract was basically rewarding him for his past achievements and not for what he was going to produce the rest of his career.
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17360 posts
Posted on 8/31/17 at 10:14 am to
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guys out there that are his age


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